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Post by El Scorcho on Sept 21, 2005 2:39:23 GMT -5
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Post by eddantes on Sept 21, 2005 6:20:28 GMT -5
Hey El Scorcho, can you re-post the link? It's not coming up for me.
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Post by El Scorcho on Sept 21, 2005 6:52:00 GMT -5
It should work now. Sorry about that.
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Post by ATrain on Sept 21, 2005 7:12:22 GMT -5
Ok-mixing sports and politics??? Come on now...I'd like him to show me one instance where Ken Karcher or any LU football player came out in a press conference and said any of the things he was whining about. Plus I liked the quote "good old blue state values"-umm, I thought blue states didn't value anything b/c everything was "equal and thus nothing is more valuable than anything else." Furthermore, if he really wants a school to play him from the South, why doesn't he ask UConn to call up Va. Tech, or he might be too bitter that 1. VA Tech is a FAR better team than UConn can ever dream to be and 2. That VA Tech got into a much better conference than the Big LEast. Geez, some people are such idiots.
Finally, I wonder if he realizes that his tax dollars helped pay for us to come up there???
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Post by HarrisburgFlame on Sept 21, 2005 7:27:18 GMT -5
I let the guy know I thought he was a hack. typical hack journalism - poor writers stuck between controversial and witty - in this case he was neither. I hope this is a part time job for him. I can't believe anyone would pay this guy to write.
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Post by eddantes on Sept 21, 2005 7:45:28 GMT -5
You know, I thought the guy had a point when he was just razing Liberty for having such a lousy football team... but he did lose me as soon as he mentioned the 9/11 thing. It went from an article at how much of an embarrassment LU football is (and I second that) to an ad hominem attack on Liberty students and Christians. I can't support that.
It reminds me of an article that some female sportswriter on ESPN wrote when the Lady Flames went to the Sweet 16. She took the entire article to wax about Falwell's gay stance and yeah, the 9/11 thing. I mean, it only had half of a sentence devoted to Katie Feenstra (and no other players).
I wrote to her and I told her that I have never seen anyone write an article that hates on the underdog, and it was unnecessary to link Falwell to Liberty basketball. I said that she wouldn't write an article hating Colorado and talk about Ward Churchill or its football program, and such.
She wrote back and said that you can't not mention Falwell with Liberty... But then she wrote an article fawning Baylor university after they won the NCAA title -- Baylor of course being in the midst of a scandal to its basketball program where one male player was murdered by another...
Journalists. All liberal hypocrites.
Except Chris Lang, who I like.
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Post by thesportscritic on Sept 21, 2005 8:09:04 GMT -5
even that lady Michelle Voepel who wrote the article about the Lady Flames Basketball team is a loser for writing that garbage. She doesn't know what Liberty or Jerry Falwell is all about. Sometimes I want to knock some sense into some journalists who write that crap about the school and Jerry Falwell. She only talked about the team in maybe two sentences and then went on to trash Jerry Falwell.
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Post by PAmedic on Sept 21, 2005 8:20:29 GMT -5
ED made a good point about the smack (legitimate) being thrown re: our FB team's performance. This is EXACTLY why Rock Royer's vision should be pursued. ("as Christians you should hit harder, run faster and longer than any unsaved person.")
EDIT *Maybe we should familiarize this guy w/ our man, Rock*
Even if this nut writing the column hated us, he'd have to admire our ability to compete had WE won 59-0. We must strive for excellence in order to gain any respect (though I wouldn't expect it anyway!)
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Post by HarrisburgFlame on Sept 21, 2005 8:21:25 GMT -5
I e-mailed that yo-yo as well. I honestly think many of these writers have no talent at all - so they have to rely on being somewhat controversial. Usually, that approach exposes the writer's ignorance - and I think that is what you have seen with this article and the one Michelle Voepel wrote.
This guy was just plain dumb - I think Michelle Voepel had more of an agenda.
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Post by thesportscritic on Sept 21, 2005 8:25:42 GMT -5
expand on Michelle Voepel having more of an agenda.
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Post by HarrisburgFlame on Sept 21, 2005 8:31:54 GMT -5
I think her agenda was anti-Falwell's stance on same sex relationships. I think that is why she used the Sweet 16 run made by the LU girls to drive this home. I remember a quote something like "isn't it odd that LU is in the Sweet 16 when traditionally many women basketball teams are made up of homosexuals" - or something to that effect.
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Post by HarrisburgFlame on Sept 21, 2005 8:34:01 GMT -5
Medic:
I agree with you. If our sports teams are to be an effective ministry - they must be effective on the field. I agree with you - we need to lay some 59-0 butt kickings in the name of the Lord and show people that Christian athletes can play the game too.
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Post by Chris Lang on Sept 21, 2005 8:34:42 GMT -5
Well, that was interesting, I must admit. Being in sports, I do my best to stay out of Jerry Falwell's affairs. We have a general assignment reporter who deals with Jerry, Jerry Jr. and the rest of the administrative stuff ... but it comes off as rather ignorant to equate Liberty's footbal struggles against Connecticut with some sort of "I hate the far Christian right" agenda. I know he was trying to make a point, but it was far too much of a stretch.
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Post by tribe4sf on Sept 21, 2005 8:38:17 GMT -5
I assume this column is not the first of its kind. I can tell you that, for outsiders, the first words that come to mind after hearing "Liberty University" are "Jerry Fallwell". I'd be surprised if the W&M student section doesn't house some targeted signs and slogans this Saturday. I can hope it won't be so, but logic tells me it probably will.
Let's hope in deference to Liberty's values, we at least don't have any streakers. ;D
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Post by thesportscritic on Sept 21, 2005 8:38:39 GMT -5
amen PAmedic and Harrisburgflame.
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Post by PAmedic on Sept 21, 2005 8:43:32 GMT -5
TRIBE makes a great point- people hear LU and think Jerry. I can tell you that one week at LU, even back in the 80's, convinced me that -for the most part- college kids are college kids. Its just that LU has a bit more oversight than your average campus- but to make the assumption that ALL students are "Jesus freaks" (now I'm REALLY dating myself) is erroneous.
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Post by HarrisburgFlame on Sept 21, 2005 8:49:14 GMT -5
tribe4sf:
Great having you here. I think Liberty and Falwell should be mentioned in the same breath and we are all used to the comments,etc. 99% of them roll right off. I think where I get angry is when people slam our athletes because of something Jerry said or did. Or hack's try to make some grand social statement on the back's of our athletic teams. Furthermore, I get very angry when these hacks get their facts screwed up and show little professionalism and responsibility.
We even make jokes about LU and some of the stances - but I guess it's like family. It's OK to argue within the family but when outsiders take shots - it's not so funny.
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Post by youcantsaythat on Sept 21, 2005 9:15:16 GMT -5
I'm always amused by writers trying to claim a school should not play Liberty because of the Chancellors views. Perhaps I have missed something, but I don't think Jerry Falwell has ever taken a snap in a Liberty football game. When it comes to athletics his religious or political opinions are irrelevant. I also wish these "columnists" would do their homework. Visit the campus and talk to students. They might find that the students have their own opinions and that they do not always line up with Dr. Falwell's views.
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Post by grm on Sept 21, 2005 11:21:58 GMT -5
Christianity is way out of step with the world, and the world hates our positions... America vs One World, Traditional Marriage, Abortion, etc etc. Falwell says what he wants, and they hate that (and then he doesn't bow down to them, irritating them even more). Liberty IS different, and they hate that. We are what we are, and we're happy about it - they are what they are, and I'm not always so sure that they're happy about it. Now, if we could kick their butts every now and then in football, it would really be enjoyable. Most of you remember LU beating Virginia in BBall; imagine what a big win similar to that would do in football. Someday...
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Post by eddantes on Sept 21, 2005 11:49:32 GMT -5
You know what, I'm tired of the apologizing for Christianity. The Pope is anti-homosexuals, too, but no one will talk smack about Notre Dame. No one criticizes Brigham Young football, and its founder was a polygamist. Give me a break.
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Post by grm on Sept 21, 2005 13:09:39 GMT -5
I agree with you, and you're right. I'm not apologizing, and don't believe anyone should or needs to. When Jocelyn Elders said we were losing "our best and brightest" to aids, she was full of crap. To live and die as a Christian is the best and brightest thing to do.
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Post by PAmedic on Sept 21, 2005 13:54:12 GMT -5
Jocelyn Elders- now THERE'S a blast from the past. What a mess SHE was.
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Post by lufbfan3 on Sept 21, 2005 22:12:27 GMT -5
I also e-mailed this ridiculous excuse for a columnist. I don't see what Jerry's personal beliefs or Liberty's theology have to do with playing football. They are supporting a Christian message, and trying to behave in a way that projects a positive example for Christianity-but they aren't handing out tracts and Bibles on the field. Honestly, why kick us while we're down? It would be one thing to criticize if we were kicking people's butts, but we're getting STOMPED and this guy-as he stated, DIDN'T EVEN ATTEND THE GAME.
Wow, it's amazing how ignorant some people are.
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Post by grm on Sept 22, 2005 11:49:46 GMT -5
I think that, with some people, the mere fact that we exist and believe/act as we do places them under conviction. Like, when I had long(er) hair - picture a semi-white man with an afro - I figured every man with short hair was either criticizing me, or thought he was better than me, so I hated him. I think this is the mindset of some, and quite possibly, this writer.
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Post by Realist on Sept 22, 2005 15:22:13 GMT -5
From an outsiders perspective, I think the reporter goes a little too far. However, Falwell does use any publicity from sports (at least from what I've seen) to further his cause, so therefore you can't necessarily get mad when someone includes Falwell in a write-up on LU, good or bad.
I think most people realize individuals are individuals and are not Falwell clones, otherwise I wouldn't post here b/c I vehemently disagree with some of his views, but he is the figurehead of the school and with it comes the good and bad when getting press. As horrible of a thing it is to say (and I don't mean this in a wishing, bad way), I think LU may make more progress publicly once he has passed the reins on to another person.
I hope that makes sense.
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Post by eddantes on Sept 22, 2005 16:51:52 GMT -5
LU is done once Falwell passes the reigns.
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Post by PAmedic on Sept 22, 2005 18:59:01 GMT -5
I wouldn't go THAT far- the man is enough of visionary that he will have put good leadership in place to take over when that day comes.
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Post by grm on Sept 23, 2005 8:16:19 GMT -5
LU will always be, in the foreseeable future in the public eye, tied to and evaluated according to the good Rev. That's all part of the deal. As far as the success factor, who comes to town, even if that "coming" is a "return," starts with nothing, and then, by the grace of God, sees a church and university like ours? I don't believe it has ever happened before. Taken from this perspective, his leadership is "off the boards." There is no standard of comparison - he's it.
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Post by eddantes on Sept 23, 2005 8:56:39 GMT -5
GRM - here are two who fit that description: Oral Roberts and Pat Robertson.
Since we are getting "Off Topic" about Jerry, I move that further discussions about said topic be moved to the "Off Topic" board. I'll start the thread.
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Post by grm on Sept 23, 2005 9:17:42 GMT -5
Good
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