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Post by WinthropEagleFan on Jan 27, 2005 17:37:42 GMT -5
Oh yeah, I definitely wasn't saying that both teams were going to win out, I just wanted to clarify the tiebreaking procedure since it can get a little confusing.
And I'm still torn on the tourney format. From a competitive standpoint, I really enjoy it since it makes every regular season game huge. But from a fan and a pseudo-journalist's point of view, I hate not being able to plan ahead, make a trip, and watch 7 games (more if I caught a couple of women's games) in 3 days like I did before.
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Post by SCAR on Jan 27, 2005 17:44:34 GMT -5
If I had my way the 1st round games would be played on the home court of the higher seeds and the rest would be played in Lynchburg! I love when the whole tournament is in the Vines. That is biased I know but the truth is it has not been that much of a home court advantage as one might think. The championship has been played in Lynchburg 6 times and Liberty won their 1st one last season. Winthrop, Asheville, Radford, and 2 by Charleston Southern. I think 2002-03 they had the last 2 rounds in Lynchburg. Asheville beat Winthrop in OT of the semi's and Radford upset LU. Still a great night of basketball.
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Post by Realist on Jan 28, 2005 16:00:56 GMT -5
I'll say this to you LU fans, let's agree that we at least don't let High Point win it, they have the most braggiado of any team in the conference, and absolutely no win in their history to back it up. At least when winthrop and liberty talks, they have championships and big wins over name schools to back it up. High Point has never done anything yet they think they are becoming a mid-major power.
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Post by Sly Fox on Jan 28, 2005 22:06:12 GMT -5
No Big South schools are ready to replace Gonzaga, Tulsa and much of the A-10 as the elite of the Mid-Majors. I'm not saying it can't happen. But none of us are anywhere near that status.
As for it being difficult to make travel plans, let's face it ... its not THAT difficult to get a room in any of the Big South towns except Myrtle Beach.
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Post by Realist on Jan 29, 2005 13:07:58 GMT -5
WU just needs a tourney win to get to a "name" status as a mid-major. They've got the wins over big schools: Georgia, Missouri, Providence, but it won't make the big headlines unless it comes in the tourney.
If they do win the conference tourney, they might actually have a shot, they wouldn't be a sixteen this year, more likely a 15, and depending on other conference tourney upsets, an outside shot at a 14.
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Post by Sly Fox on Jan 30, 2005 16:02:38 GMT -5
And you call yourself a realist? It takes more than one tourney victory to create a national persona. Right now, 99.99% of American basketball fans have never heard of Winthrop. A victory in the opening round of the Dance would help eleviate that some. But its a long step from the Gonzagas of the world. Even Valparaiso had some Tourney success and they aren't exactly a "name" school. It takes continued success and more than your share of luck to obtain "name" status. Something no BSC school is close to obtaining right now. But a big Matrch run could change that somewhat.
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Post by SCAR on Jan 30, 2005 16:11:12 GMT -5
I agree with Realist a little on this one but for slightly different reasons. as a 15 seed you have to beat a 2 but then you get to play a 7 or 10. Lets say you draw a 10 seed like Dayton or South Carolina. Winthrop has proven they can beat those type of teams on their home floor in the past. For that matter If you are playing well enough to beat a #1 or #2, it seems reasonable to think you can beat that # 10 or #7 seed 2 days later. That being said, I agree with Sly Fox that even with 1 tournament win you are not necessarily a houshold name. Gonzaga, Valpo and Tulsa have done it multiple times or in the case of Valpo just once but they went to sweet 16 and they have the Homer Drew family as household names. Even Kent st and Nevada went to the elight 8 in recent years but they are still not talked about that much. How about Hampton #15 seed beating #2 Iowa St a few years back? Again, is anyone really following Hampton's program now? No, but I will say that a tournament win would do a lot for Wintrop or Liberty than it would for any other Big South team.
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Post by Realist on Jan 31, 2005 9:08:37 GMT -5
I wasn't saying WU is gonzaga, however, you're very wrong on 99% of basketball fans not knowing who WU is. Heck, they are used to penciling in the name on the bracket. Plus, WU is getting plenty of respect as a mid-major among their peers, they are ranked 14th in the latest mid-major poll. And comparing LU and WU in their programs right now is like comparing apples and oranges---a win in the tourney would not do the same thing, Lu doesn't have the giant killer status that winthrop does, or respectable streak to hang their hat on.
WU is certainly no gonzaga or even a kent st., but they are one or two tourney wins from being a decently well known mid major.
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Post by Sly Fox on Jan 31, 2005 11:45:40 GMT -5
Montana, Weber State and Jackson State are penciled in brackets very frequently, but none are even in a speck on the collective conscious of American basketball fans.
As for a tourney victory, I have to agree that a victory for either Liberty & Winthrop would bring different results. Poor or not, Liberty does have more national name recognition than the rest of the Big South (& Southern) Conference combined.
That said, a tourney win would do immeasurable good for the conference in general.
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Post by Realist on Jan 31, 2005 11:55:45 GMT -5
National name recognition from who? Winthrop is more well known from basketball than LU for anything. Gimme a break.
Well, other than maybe Liberty being mentioned when Falwell embarasses himself in the press from time to time. I still remember the teletubby fiasco.
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Post by Sly Fox on Jan 31, 2005 12:36:42 GMT -5
One nearly anonymous program having more recognition than another nearly anonymous program is nothing to crow about. Yes, I am referring to Liberty's name recognition more than its basketball success.
Its only natural for supporters of certain schools to have an inflated self-image. But reality often is nowhere to be found in the process.
For the record, if you have ever seen the Teletubbies evejn once yourself, there is absolutely no question regarding the veracity of the claims made a few years ago. But I digress ...
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Post by LUconn on Jan 31, 2005 13:30:10 GMT -5
Seriously, this is the Big South. We're all irrelavent right now. Basketball anylists pencil you guys in. Nobody else has ever heard of you because you beat Georgia, who isn't good, and Providence, who is looking less and less good by the day. Just beating a team from a good conference once every other year isn't gonna get you recognized. You have to beat a top 25 team while they're ranked. And that might not even do it. You guys may be a lot closer to national success than us, but you're not close at all.
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Post by eddantes on Jan 31, 2005 13:37:12 GMT -5
I find it ironic that a poster by the name of "realist" is telling us that Winthrop is a name school because they have a decent win once in awhile, or (not mentioned) they went to the tourney for a few consecutive years.
You want name recognition? Then I quote my buddy LUConn: It's not gonna happen in the Big South.
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Post by aLUmnus on Jan 31, 2005 14:31:09 GMT -5
National name recognition from who? Winthrop is more well known from basketball than LU for anything. Gimme a break.
You've got to be joking, right? Nobody knows anything about Winthrop. Not from basketball, not from anything. And to say they have more nationale recognition than Liberty is unbelievable. Even when it comes to academic competitions, Liberty has national recognition (debate, equities cup, nursing, etc.). Stop kidding yourself about Winthrop in the national spectrum.
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