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Post by WinthropEagleFan on Dec 10, 2005 16:23:04 GMT -5
If Liberty plays a basketball game (ie. a game against Lipscomb), but nobody mentions it on here, either before, during, or after...did it really happen?
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Post by Stevev on Dec 10, 2005 16:30:04 GMT -5
Nobody cares cuz we suck
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Post by Stevev on Dec 10, 2005 16:38:51 GMT -5
It looks like Lipscomb won by 15 or something like that. We keep loosing to these div 1 newcomers. It might be time to turn my attention to womens hoops considering the way things are going.
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Post by LUconn on Dec 10, 2005 17:07:28 GMT -5
I care, but I didn't listen to it on the radio and yahoo doesn't exactly keep you up to date. Why does everbody turn their attention to something else when we suck at something? I think the last thing they need is a lack of support.
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Post by Sly Fox on Dec 10, 2005 17:57:27 GMT -5
A game in Nashville to Lipscomb can easily slide below radar. Obviously we didn't play well once again. Hopefully we can iron these issues out before conference play begins.
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Post by bigsmooth on Dec 10, 2005 18:04:29 GMT -5
this is a very disappointing loss. they do play in a decent conference, but these guys have been DI since 2000 i believe. boy do we have our work cut out for us! it looks like it could be a long sesaon if we cant get the problems ironed out! we still do not have a DI win  |
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Post by former flame on Dec 10, 2005 20:09:53 GMT -5
Presently we are six games into the fourth year of our five year RD "top 50" program project and cannot win a D1 game. According to RD much education and administrative work must be done to achieve this goal(media guide). Perhaps we need to evaluate what we are doing in practices in particular our commitment to team defense and our discipline in taking care of the ball and getting good shots. We will probably win some games in TBS...however we are about as close to "top 50" as we were in the early 1990's--- actually we are not even that close. "The Vision" is a nice talking piece in the off season ---and it gets alot of contrubutors to this board excited---feeling all pump up. (We have Great Coaches and Great talent and Great Recruits,etc) However, in reality, it is a an absolute joke because the walk just doesn't match the talk. It is hard to fathom how JF continues to buy the hype when the obvious is on display @ tip off. If we want a blueprint for building a top 100 program check out the best program in TBS. They didn't TALK about it--They delivered it in six years (with less resouces)!! No hype. No Philosophizing. No Excuses. Just Results!!!Authenic and Real.
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Post by Stevev on Dec 10, 2005 20:56:52 GMT -5
There is no sense in building all of this hype up with the poor calibre of teams we have been putting out there in basketball and football and sitting in one of the worst conferences in Division 1.
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Post by HoldMyOwn on Dec 11, 2005 0:00:07 GMT -5
Just give it time....if looking at WBB is what you need to pass that time for a few years then do it....
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Post by ATrain on Dec 11, 2005 0:54:36 GMT -5
Well, lets look at it this way, we went from worst in the nation to first in the conference in a couple of years...I think Dunton has what it takes to get us to the next level, its just that we need to keep players...Dees leaving definitely was a detriment, and we also lost quite a few others as well. Just give it some time, I'm sure things will come back around.
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Post by thelaxman on Dec 11, 2005 1:19:24 GMT -5
Let me be honest. If we are going to make all these changes with Staff and shoot for being a NCAA Division 1 powerhouse in Athletics. We need to petition The Big East or Conference USA. We need to get out of the Big South and go big time and put our money where our mouth is!
But that is not going to happen anytime soon because if you can't dominate a Conference like the Big South in College Athletics. What do you think the result is going to be in the Big East or Conference USA?
Just my opinions based on the hard facts.
Thelaxman
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Post by HoldMyOwn on Dec 11, 2005 1:43:06 GMT -5
Let me be honest. If we are going to make all these changes with Staff and shoot for being a NCAA Division 1 powerhouse in Athletics. We need to petition The Big East or Conference USA. We need to get out of the Big South and go big time and put our money where our mouth is! But that is not going to happen anytime soon because if you can't dominate a Conference like the Big South in College Athletics. What do you think the result is going to be in the Big East or Conference USA? Just my opinions based on the hard facts. Thelaxman I agree...although you could always use the argument that being in a better Conf. allows you to recruit better players...I look at VT and their basketball program, it wasnt to long ago they were the worst in the Big East and now that they can say they'll play teams like Duke & UNC they are getting better and better and knocking off some of those teams....I know there is more to their being better than that, although it think it helps, just like us being on TV....a west coast kid may be more likely to come here knowing that his friends and family could watch him (again, theres more to it, but i think it helps) |
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Post by HoldMyOwn on Dec 11, 2005 2:03:05 GMT -5
Well, lets look at it this way, we went from worst in the nation to first in the conference in a couple of years...I think Dunton has what it takes to get us to the next level, its just that we need to keep players...Dees leaving definitely was a detriment, and we also lost quite a few others as well. Just give it some time, I'm sure things will come back around. Thank you, i say that Last to First statement a lot but it goes unheard...I know it may seem like I'm a D apologist on here, but believe me, I'll start the Fire D thread once he starts losing year after year (never think that will happen),I mean come on guys let's not forget Hankinson (sp?)...we had a few very good players with Hank (we didnt win a lot) but D's already brought us Blair who could go down as a top 5 LU flame player, and Dee's who could have as well if he would have stayed and this is just in a few years time....let's be consistent here & not give a football coach 6 years and every year everyone could see the team getting progressively worse |
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Post by formerflame on Dec 11, 2005 2:27:29 GMT -5
The 'former flame' is having his chance to put down once again. Programs like families struggle at times. Knowing Dunton nobody is more disappointed than he is. Don't cast ire on
road losses to veteran teams capable of winnig their league..ie.Lipscomb. Certainly Buffalo was a really good opponent beating Rutgers tonight 62-53. Virginia and Kentucky on the road with a young team. And we will see if Longwood can
hold home court against High Point and Valpo this week. Marshall has been at Winthrop for eight years and indeed has built a winner. Some can call it pumping and hype but the man has said that this season was going to be a challenge. All of us who have played in a situation where freshmen and inexperienced sophomores are required to carry the day know it takes time. So against Buffalo it was turnovers and great rebounding versus Lipscomb we only had 12 turnovers but got killed on the boards. So with maturity maybe we will put it together. The man has blown no hype about this season however he does like the future and is focused on serving our institution in building a top 50 program eventually. It may take
longer to get there but we shouldn't belittle his vision. Good things take time and i for one will
not live in the world of unreal expectations to undermine the building that IS being accomplished. Dunton has earned my confidence and respect. I have been at his practices and they are of the highest quality. He demands and he teaches his track record shows it.
Didn't Texas lose by 30, Oregon by 30 and Kentucky by 26. Keep building-- battle the adversity allow it to make us stronger.
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Post by Bison Fan on Dec 11, 2005 2:32:37 GMT -5
Bored at 2am and found your sight. Yall actually have some decent players, it was a good first half. Your team cannot rebound and they seem to play with no heart. Nothing could get them fired up, granted it was on the road, and a pretty dead gym, but it just seems like your guys didnt care about much. One more thing, rarely did u go inside, free throws were a bit spread 34 to 8 or something? But there was not post play or rebounding for that matter.
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Post by thesportscritic on Dec 11, 2005 8:08:40 GMT -5
I agree with you Bison Fan. This team has problems with rebounding the basketball and our post is not all that good in my opinion. We need to develop our post players even more. Unless we learn how to get a board, it could be a long year this year and Lipscomb killed us on the boards by 20 rebounds or something like that.
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Post by LUconn on Dec 11, 2005 15:37:04 GMT -5
I agree...although you could always use the argument that being in a better Conf. allows you to recruit better players...I look at VT and their basketball program, it wasnt to long ago they were the worst in the Big East and now that they can say they'll play teams like Duke & UNC they are getting better and better and knocking off some of those teams....I know there is more to their being better than that, although it think it helps, just like us being on TV....a west coast kid may be more likely to come here knowing that his friends and family could watch him (again, theres more to it, but i think it helps) ;D uhh, I won't start. |
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Post by grmjer on Dec 11, 2005 18:15:30 GMT -5
Not much to say, except to express a sincere belief that the Flames will make great improvement during the season, and will make a good showing in the Big South.
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Post by thelaxman on Dec 11, 2005 19:11:21 GMT -5
What I do know for a fact is the team is heading in the right direction. When I used to catch Liberty playing against Winthrop I used to want to hind my face because this Guy Hankinson was so bad. It was embarrassing to be a Flames fan at another Institutions Court. But now the program is up and coming and when I have been at some recent Winthrop vs Liberty games I have worn my Blue and Red with pride.
But when Liberty is not playing I do pull for Greg and boys and my Sons have Go Eagles posters.
We move from Rock Hill at the end of the month so I'm looking forward in catching some Lobos games at the Pit at UNM in Albuquerque.
Again we are heading in the right direction and in time we will have a great Basketball program we can be proud of at Liberty University. They may even come out and play the University of New Mexico who knows. If they do I may have to think hard about breaking out my Blue and Red since I plan to pursue my Master's Degree at UNM next year. I will also be coaching the Lacrosse Team at UNM.
Good things are about to come down the pike for Flames Basketball!
All the best,
Thelaxman
PS. I have meet Dunton once and he seems like a first class Guy. Let's give him our full support. I would bet under his leadership it will turn out to be some of the best Flames Basketball ever!
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Post by baldspot on Dec 11, 2005 19:14:04 GMT -5
I think I read today where Longwood played Villanova tough. Lost by 13. Buffalo is a good program. Don't know anything about Lipscomb.
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Post by PAmedic on Dec 11, 2005 21:53:47 GMT -5
saw the ticker showing our loss to Lipscomb and had to wait for it to roll around again before I got upset. YEESH.
and 'Nova is tough this year (though maybe a tad overrated since they haven't really played a great schedule) but Longwood DID hang with them. From what I can see, thats NOT a horrible program in Farmville.
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Post by Devils Advocate on Dec 12, 2005 3:27:50 GMT -5
... but, how did we let them pass us? They were D-2 like a week ago.
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Post by LUconn on Dec 12, 2005 7:17:39 GMT -5
They made a strong inside move on turn 3.
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Post by PAmedic on Dec 12, 2005 9:08:31 GMT -5
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Post by LUconn on Dec 12, 2005 9:31:33 GMT -5
At least Rell seems to have found some offense. That's encouraging.
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Post by flameshaw on Dec 12, 2005 10:13:16 GMT -5
Marshall turned the program at WU around very quickly and has sustained the growth and winning tradition. Obviuosly is is head and shoulders above the rest of the coaches in the conference. I am suprised and disappointed that he has not been selected to coach a higher level program.
In the words of a former LU AD: "All of the players we recruit look good until they get here." I am sure he was saying that untul the player does something on the court or field, it's all hype until you see them perform against D1 competition.
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Post by Sly Fox on Dec 12, 2005 10:18:32 GMT -5
Winthrop has stepped up to pay Marshall rather nicely (with a hefty buyout) that should keep him in Rock Hill for quite awhile unless one of the majors decide they have to have him.
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Post by LUconn on Dec 12, 2005 10:30:29 GMT -5
I believe he's stated many times he's comitted to building a program there. He will not leave unless a major conference offers a head job to him and the majors won't want him until he proves himself in a tougher conference. It's kind of a catch 22 but I'm sure a tourney win would sway the big dogs.
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Post by PittLU on Dec 12, 2005 11:16:03 GMT -5
Longwood and Withrop have something in common - they have teams that have played together for 3-4 years. LU needs to recruit and KEEP players playing together, then we can expect success. We have freshman and sophomore playing key roles, and we arent exactly playing a cupcake schedule. KEEP and I repeat KEEP this team together and next year will be different.
We still cant count them out this year though because anything can happen in the Big South, and by the time the season is in full swing and these kids have 20 or so games under their belts, they arent really freshman and sophomores come tourney time.
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Post by LUconn on Dec 12, 2005 11:50:12 GMT -5
that's hard to do when you're trying to build with JUCOs like we are. We have a team together for 2 years max.
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