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Post by krh44 on Jun 18, 2005 14:54:38 GMT -5
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Post by Sly Fox on Jun 18, 2005 16:54:10 GMT -5
I believe this probably comes as a direct result of the NCAA rules adding a 12th game for I-A schools. This is great news and would be even better if we beat those one-time Baptists down in Winston-Salem.
Hopefully this won't be the last one of these contracts we can swing.
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Post by ATrain on Jun 18, 2005 18:27:55 GMT -5
Too bad it wasn't Duke...we might've had a chance at defeating an ACC school in the most major of sports. But at least we are getting some exposure to the majors...one day we'll be among them.
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Post by Sly Fox on Jun 18, 2005 21:54:26 GMT -5
Hey, we're talking about Wake here ... not Florida State or Miami. Its an opening night in a game where they probably won't be taking us very seriously. That's a golden opportunity to pull off an upset that would do wonders for our program recruiting-wise in the region.
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Post by bigsmooth on Jun 20, 2005 8:11:32 GMT -5
sly, we will not beat wake. jim grobe has built an excellent program since his arrival. wake is no pushover anymore, but it will be good for the program and we should bring plenty of fans to winston.
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Post by Sly Fox on Jun 20, 2005 12:28:06 GMT -5
Oh ye of little faith, bigsmooth. I've seen what Wake has done the past two seasons. But the bar is so low in the ACC outside of a handful of teams that if the Deacs play poorly in a season opener (which often happens) and we get ewxtremely lucky (which can happen) then an upset is not entirely out of the question. Perhaps by 2006 we'll have shown significant improvement.
OK, I'm taking my rose-colored glasses back off.
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Post by bigsmooth on Jun 20, 2005 13:47:33 GMT -5
sly my man, you are drinkng some of that big-12 kool-aid!!! the ACC bar is not low, it was a dran good league last year with 4-5 top 25 teams all year. we will need to step up our recruiting to beat them. im sure we will hang for a bit, but in the end the deacs will prevail.
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Post by PAmedic on Jun 20, 2005 15:31:56 GMT -5
Good point about the recruiting- thats been something we have been bemoaning here for a while. Though scheduling better teams may actually boost recruiting efforts in and of itself- face time on regional TV always impresses recruits (and financial supporters!)
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Post by Sly Fox on Jun 20, 2005 15:38:32 GMT -5
The koolaid tastes great, bigsmooth. The ACC never should've denigrated itself as a quality hoops/baseball league by taking those dirty Sunshine State programs. ACC football was on par with C-USA until the expansion began the past decade. Hoops has paid the price for the football entrants. Meanwhile, Big 12 is great in EVERY sport. ;D
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Post by PAmedic on Jun 20, 2005 15:42:49 GMT -5
PLEASE- I just ate.
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Post by PastorZack on Jun 20, 2005 15:43:20 GMT -5
The Big 12 is dominant in every sport...get it right
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Post by Sly Fox on Jun 20, 2005 15:46:19 GMT -5
I stand corrected.
And PAmedic, if I had to be surrounded by all the crappy teams you have there in your state I would want to hurl too.
I am excited about this first date with the big time in football and I hope we are pouncing on the opportunity for more right now.
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Post by LUconn on Jun 20, 2005 15:55:12 GMT -5
When was the last time B12 dominated in BBall? Or do they choke away the Final 4 every year? I forget which...
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Post by WinthropEagleFan on Jun 20, 2005 16:05:48 GMT -5
I've learned I'm in the minority on this, but I just don't get the conference rooting interest thing. For instance, I'm a University of Maryland fan (though they are a distant second to Winthrop), and I couldn't care less that UNC (an ACC team) won the NCAA national championship in basketball or if an ACC team won the football or baseball titles, I wouldn't get anymore satisfacton over it than if a random Pac 10 team won those things.
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Post by PAmedic on Jun 20, 2005 16:07:21 GMT -5
Simply- these gentleman are insane. You and I, WEF, are two of the very few LOGICAL people on here.
Other than LU, I am a Penn State fan, but despise the rest of the Big 10.
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Post by Sly Fox on Jun 20, 2005 16:18:03 GMT -5
Theoretically speaking, I agree with you WEF. I don't cheer the success of other Big XII schools in general. And Zack can attest to the fact that no one in the greater Bryan/College Station metropolitan area are cheers yet another Texas national championship. But there is some pride associated with the overall strength of your league. I take great pride in how strong the Big South has become in baseball and I'd love to see it happen in other sports as well. As for the Big XII's disappointment in the Final Four in recent years, I admit as much LUconn. But unlike the Big East, we don't put all our eggs in one sport's basket. The Big 12 is not a hoops league like the Big East or a football league like the ACC.
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Post by ATrain on Jun 20, 2005 20:24:00 GMT -5
As a loyal Virginia Tech fan, I can honestly say the ACC is the best conference ever. I was happy that an ACC school won the national championship (would've been happier had it been Winthrop). As a native Virginian growing up in the middle of VaTech/UVA country (and I do mean the middle of it...they're both about 2/3 hours from my house) I will be loyal to Tech second (first is Liberty and any Big South school that is playing a non-conference opponent) and any ACC school besides Virginia third.
With that said, the addition of Virginia Tech and Miami did not hurt ACC hoops, those two schools finished in the middle of the conference and look to finish even higher next year. Boston College also joins the league next year and they've got basketball skillzles for schizzle my nizzles.
Next-why I'm loyal to the ACC-I just don't know...but I was talkin with Georgia fans in Chatty who said they wanted to see an SEC team win it all (though they were cheering for us against LSU-as were the Duke fans...) so I guess its just different strokes for different folks or maybe its a southern thang that yall (coughcoughPAMediccoughcough) wouldn't understand.
Finally-the ACC is strong in every sport...its the different schools that are strong in mainly one sport. In football, its Virginia Tech, Miami, and Florida State. In bball, its the North Carolina schools (Duke, Wake Forest, NC State, UNC) and Maryland. Though granted, VaTech did beat Duke in bball this year and did much better than expected as did Miami.
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Post by PAmedic on Jun 20, 2005 20:31:36 GMT -5
you wound me...
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Post by WinthropEagleFan on Jun 20, 2005 22:15:43 GMT -5
Well, I can somewhat understand the desire to see others in your conference do well, but I guess I just don't get into the 'my conference is better than yours.' Those arguments drive me crazy down here in SC with the USC and Clemson fans, so maybe that is why I avoid those arguments. For instance, USC fans essentially were taunting Clemson fans by mentioning that there were 2 SEC teams in the CWS while the ACC 'choked' and sent none. But Clemson went farther, so if I thought that was a lame "I'm riding the coat-tails of Florida/Tennessee" argument and was nothing more than sour grapes. If you are USC, I can maybe see why you are proud of the league for getting 2 teams in the CWS, but that doesn't make the Gamecok program any better or worse than they are if the SEC put 4 or 0 teams in the CWS.
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Post by Sly Fox on Jun 20, 2005 22:35:10 GMT -5
Points well taken, WEF. That's pretty lame to use that kind of logic against a better opponent. Generally, I use the logic when making statements when there's not clearcut difference between distant conferences.
Folks down here have long tired of the SEC PR machine that Roy Kramer took to new heights. So since the Big XII has developed into such a power conference most people over this way jump on the SEC whenever possible.
Someday it'd be great to have a league to brag on in something other than just baseball.
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Post by ATrain on Jun 21, 2005 11:38:09 GMT -5
You mean the Big South? To quote LUConn "Its not gonna happen in the Big South"
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Post by Sly Fox on Jun 21, 2005 12:37:22 GMT -5
Hey, until we can get something better this is all we have. So we might as well try to make it as good as we can.
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Post by bigsmooth on Jun 21, 2005 12:59:32 GMT -5
sly, the CUSA crack about the ACC was great, but you are crazy from the heat. the big 12 is oklahoma and it's little sister texas....and i mean little. the ACC is the 2nd best behind the SEC.
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Post by Sly Fox on Jun 21, 2005 18:48:41 GMT -5
It must be hot down there in Carolina to think the ACC is anywhere near the Big 12. Its Miami and its little sisters FSU & Va Tech in the ACC and a host of mediocre to poor excuses for programs. And the Canes & Hokies were OVERRATED last season. But I digress ...
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Post by PAmedic on Jun 22, 2005 10:34:47 GMT -5
sly, the CUSA crack about the ACC was great, but you are crazy from the heat. the big 12 is oklahoma and it's little sister texas....and i mean little. the ACC is the 2nd best behind the SEC. its all that good blow comin' up from central america
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Post by ATrain on Jun 22, 2005 19:13:02 GMT -5
Hokies overrated? Excuse me, my good sir, but we did beat Miami and whooped up on Maryland-who beat FSU. The ACC is the best conference, and last year Tech was the best team. Granted, we didn't beat USC, but did give them all they could handle (put up more of a fight than the team they played for the National Championship) and if we could've just stopped dropping the ball (no pun intended) against Auburn we would've beat them too.
This year I expect Tech to choke, since they tend to do that while having the spotlight and expectations on them to win...but then again, you never know. Anyway Sly, you really should be thanking us. We handed them Aggies their first non-conference home loss a few years ago in who knows how long.
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Post by Sly Fox on Jun 22, 2005 19:48:21 GMT -5
Saying you beat other ACC schools doesn't impress me. Saying you almost beat some great teams doesn't cut it either is you want to be great yourself.
The Aggies have sucked for about 5-6 years now. They're not much of a concern for Longhorns fans. Oklahoma is UT's real rival ... the Aggies are secondary.
Texas Tech has essentially become A&M's rival since they can't compete with the Horns. (The truth hurts, Zack)
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Post by ATrain on Jun 22, 2005 20:10:50 GMT -5
Ok...but we won the ACC championship...and we did better against USC than Oklahoma (or was it OSU?) did. If Texas and Tech ever meet (not likely but we did meet and beat A&M and LSU a few years ago so its possible), I'll make a special trip down there just to see you and rub it in after we win
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Post by Sly Fox on Jun 22, 2005 22:06:49 GMT -5
Bring it on, dude.
But I seriously doubt it will happen anywhere outside of a bowl game.
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Post by bigsmooth on Jun 23, 2005 7:49:57 GMT -5
what's this "we" stuff a-train? are you frank beamer's personal assistant? (j.k.) you still lost to USC....It does not matter how much. but seriously the ACC has quickly stepped up to either the 2nd or 3rd best league in the country behind the SEC, and last year's stats prove it.
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