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Post by bigsmooth on Dec 8, 2005 13:06:26 GMT -5
what a great early season #1 vs. #2 matchup saturday at 1:30 at e. rutherford NJ on CBS. (the only bad thing is billy packer will probably be doing the broadcast!). texas is lead by Lamarcus Aldridge and raleigh native P.J. Tucker (the ACC coaches are still upset he got away), and the dookies are lead by roanoke native J.J. and Shelden Williams. I would love to see this matchup later in the season, but texas is a more balanced team. Duke has struggled this year, and now looking for a third option to replace the injured damarcus nelson. Coach K will have his boys ready, but he even says it will be a struggle! Texas coach Rick Barnes always loves to beat any team from tobaccco road (those memories at clemson can tend to do that). this game has the makings of a blow out or a close game. If duke is to win someone other than JJ or williams will have to show up. Neither team has played a great schedule with duke beating two ranked teams (memphis, indiana), and texas only iowa. I do look for duke to be there in the end, but right now they are still finding chemistry. the only duke advantage besides coack K is their second home court the SUNJ- E. RUTHERFORD ;D
PROBABLE STARTERS:
duke(8-0, 1-0 acc)
G- JJ
G- SEAN DOCKERY
G- GREG PAULUS
F- JOSH MC ROBERTS
F- SHELDEN WILLIAMS
texas(8-0, 0-0 big 12)
G- DANIEL GIBSON
G- KENTON PAULINO
F- BRAD BUCKMAN
F- PJ. TUCKER
F- LA MARCUS ALDRIDGE
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Post by Sly Fox on Dec 8, 2005 13:33:40 GMT -5
Wow! Bigsmooth giving some love to a school outside his beloved ACC?
A couple corrections to your setup. UT is led by daniel Gibson. Period. Lamarcus & PJ are great players but this is Daniel's team. If he plays well than the Horns could be ranked #1 for the first time in school history on Monday. And PJ would've loved to have gone to one of the local schools there in the Triangle. But none of them would give him the time of day. Barnes stole him simply because he had the good sense to see he was a playa despite his lack of size. Meanwhile the Tobacco Road schools always seem infatuated with players halfway across the country when they have talent in their own backyard. That's why Texas has grown under Barnes from a borderline Top-25 program into a national power. The Horns close the borders and load up the statewide talent and then cherrypick a few out-of-staters to fill the holes (i.e. Kevin Durant).
Hopefully the Horns can take care of business Saturday morning because the school is going to be disappointed later in the day across the river at the Heisman Club. The good news is this will mean another year of Vince in Austin.
Hook Em
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Post by LUconn on Dec 8, 2005 15:10:14 GMT -5
Dook 60
Horns 76
And it's not as close as the score says.
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Post by bigsmooth on Dec 8, 2005 15:11:23 GMT -5
one correction sly, tucker did not have the grades to get into duke or carolina....nc state probably, but who wants to play sendek's game. Tell me what local ACC players who have got away that are impact players?? i doubt you will find many if any. Yes i can give love to other teams outside the ACC. I do not have only big 12 colored glasses ;D seriously UT is a fabulous team, and it should be a great game.and other schools get into texas and pull good playas!! BTW i hope vince get the heisman!
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Post by Sly Fox on Dec 8, 2005 21:58:13 GMT -5
Its just as easy (if not easier) to get into UNC & NC State academically than Texas. And Duke gets in basketball players who have no business in the school (some of the members of this board no what I'm talking about from friends they have who played for the Blue Devils).
As for other schools coming into Texas, those days are over. Outside of Arizona & Okie State the border has been closed the past couple of seasons.
I'd love to see Vince win it Saturday but its not going to happen (and he knows it).
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Post by bigsmooth on Dec 8, 2005 22:59:47 GMT -5
get those texas glasses off sly! tucker could not get into caorlina or duke, that is why texas has him! it is well documented that duke and carolina have high admission standards..even for athletes, and the graduation rates speak for themselves. just b/c the horns take risky student-athletes in some cases does not make them a weak institution. i myself think SAT's and ACT's are not a true measure of a student. be objective my brother.
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Post by Sly Fox on Dec 8, 2005 23:12:11 GMT -5
I am being objective and I have some rather distinct info on PJ's situation from when I was working in Austin. Ever wonder why Texas rarely if ever has JUCOs? If PJ could get in Texas, he could've gotten into UNC. You Triangle guys are so starstruck by Duke & UNC its unbelievable. ;D
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Post by PAmedic on Dec 8, 2005 23:16:37 GMT -5
here we go again
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Post by bigsmooth on Dec 9, 2005 6:23:49 GMT -5
no need to discuss it further. the fishwrap in the triangle has a keen interest in tucker and gives him plenty of ink. his academic problems are well noted...was he not academic casualty at one point in his career at texas? no star -struck problems in the triangle. you will not find better basketball overall than in the 8 mile drive on hwy 15-501, and the national championship resides in the triangle too. i love ya sly ;D
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Post by Sly Fox on Dec 9, 2005 10:35:05 GMT -5
Yes, he has difficulties handling the rigors of a school like UT. I'm sure it would've been much easier at an ACC school. ;D
The title the boosters bought UNC rightfully belongs in Chapel Hill ... for now. Obviously it won't back there anytime soon. ;D
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Post by LUconn on Dec 9, 2005 11:23:24 GMT -5
get those texas glasses off sly! tucker could not get into caorlina or duke, that is why texas has him! it is well documented that duke and carolina have high admission standards..even for athletes, and the graduation rates speak for themselves. just b/c the horns take risky student-athletes in some cases does not make them a weak institution. i myself think SAT's and ACT's are not a true measure of a student. be objective my brother. I've heard this from ACC apologists time and time again and it is absolutely ridiculous. To be so nieve to think that Duke and UNC recruit top 10 players every year and coincidentally those players are all smart enough to get into those institutions is crazy. When ever you ACC shills lose a recuit to some other place it's always because they wouldn't have made the grade or the other school paid somebody something or their mom has a new SUV. |
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Post by Supa J on Dec 9, 2005 11:31:20 GMT -5
Tucker could've gotten into UNC if Roy wanted him to. There would be no problem with that. I'm a Carolina fan and have a hard time believing Rashad McCants would've been able to get into UNC. The in-state battle among students is very hard and McCants was in-state. Don't tell me he would've gotten in if it wasn't for basketball. Tell me what local ACC players who have got away that are impact players?? i doubt you will find many if any. Ever heard of JamesOn Curry? He screwed his chances up at Carolina and he's doing pretty well for himself at OK State. |
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Post by bigsmooth on Dec 9, 2005 12:06:57 GMT -5
james-on curry is a felon, convicted of dealing drugs..not a bad student. he was actually an honor student. a coach like fast eddie sutton, a chronic rule breaker would certainly take him. and LUCONN, im not nieve to think academic standards are tinkered with a bit in allowing students into schools like duke and carolina, because they are, but the point is coach k is on record saying he was not a good fit at duke, and matt doherty did not recruit b/c of his shaky academic standing. i live in the triangle so im privy to reading and seeing things about thses schools that you do not see or hear, but you guys believe what you want to believe, but the NCAA grad rates are online. and with the experience i have had in college athletics, i know what the standards are at both schools. pj is a great player, i would prefer to talk about his skills on the court and not about the classroom, as im not trying to diparage him in anyway.
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Post by Sly Fox on Dec 9, 2005 16:00:03 GMT -5
Don't even bring JamesOn into this discussion. Oklahoma & Okie State get players into their schools who wouldn't be taken by most junior colleges. But I digress.
You may be correct that UNC may have been slow to pull the trigger on an offer to PJ because of his perceived questionable academic status. But the notion he couldn't get into UNC but he could into Texas is incorrect. The Tarheels just didn't think he'd get his core or scores together and went elsewhere. It was a bad decision. Barnes gambled and it paid big dividends. I stand by my statements that UNC & Duke are infatuated with players from everyone else's neighborhoods more than their own.
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Post by PittLU on Dec 9, 2005 16:12:19 GMT -5
No question about UNC & Duke. Look at the rosters, they are a sample of the entire US. You have to admit Sly that Texas is much larger than NC and SC put together though - and a ton more talent.
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Post by Sly Fox on Dec 9, 2005 20:01:57 GMT -5
I freely admit that. But the Big Ten & ACC schools have pillaged this state for decades until Barnes closed the borders. There still are plenty of Texans slipping out ... but not until UT fills up their classes. I've previously stated frequently how plentiful the talent is down here.
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Post by realist on Dec 10, 2005 13:49:19 GMT -5
Man this game is intense.
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Post by ATrain on Dec 10, 2005 14:11:52 GMT -5
GO DUKE!!!! Sorry Sly, I'm an ACC loyalist (as if you haven't figured that one out already). But this should be a good game, can't wait to read about it on ESPN.com after I get back from watching our women play at VaTech.
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Post by Supa J on Dec 10, 2005 14:52:05 GMT -5
Go Texas. I hate Dook.
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Post by Supa J on Dec 10, 2005 15:08:18 GMT -5
Dook's killing Texas. I wish I could watch this but alas, no cable.
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Post by El Scorcho on Dec 10, 2005 15:21:21 GMT -5
41 points for JJ, 89 to 62, under three to go. Mmmm. That's good stuff.
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Post by El Scorcho on Dec 10, 2005 15:25:21 GMT -5
You Triangle guys are so starstruck by Duke & UNC its unbelievable. ;D Well, it's not like its without reason. I mean come on, there's quite a bit of basketball history in that 15 mile stretch of highway 15-501. |
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Post by El Scorcho on Dec 10, 2005 15:31:38 GMT -5
97 to 66, Final.
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Post by bigsmooth on Dec 10, 2005 15:35:34 GMT -5
ouch! maybe it was the black uniforms! i was very surprised about duke's play today. texas will be back....hopefully a rematch in the final four.
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Post by Sly Fox on Dec 10, 2005 15:44:45 GMT -5
That couldn't have gone any worse. JJ was out of his mind in front of that home crowd (K won't play Texas anywhere except Cameron or NYC). Clearly, the Longhorns aren't that bad and Duke's probably not that good. But on this given Saturday it was all Blue Devils.
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Post by LUconn on Dec 10, 2005 16:55:55 GMT -5
Well, I was wrong.
By the way, K won't play anybody who's any good outside of Cameron or NYC unless its the acc/big10 challenge.
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Post by bigsmooth on Dec 10, 2005 18:01:35 GMT -5
waaaah! sly and LUconn take the beating like a man and quit making excuses! today duke was better. it did not matter if it was in new jersey or some high school gym in north dakota. all you ACC haters should come up with some new material or better yet get a team that can beat them ;D
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Post by Sly Fox on Dec 10, 2005 18:12:36 GMT -5
Dude, I gave them their props. If I wanted to make excuses I would've talked about Brad Buckman. But no, I took the high road.  |
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Post by Guest on Dec 11, 2005 1:29:10 GMT -5
Dude, I gave them their props. If I wanted to make excuses I would've talked about Brad Buckman. But no, I took the high road. It's part of the game. What if Duke had Nelson? Anyways, JJ is just an incredible player....it's going to be a fun year to watch this guy play. |
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Post by LUconn on Dec 11, 2005 15:38:42 GMT -5
By the way, is Buckman an 8th year senior or what? It seems like that guy's been there forever.
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