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Post by ATrain on May 1, 2005 16:03:37 GMT -5
Yes-the IA football program is a mess...there needs to be a playoff system for 2 reasons: 1. More games on TV and 2. Longer seasons for more TV and thus more $$$
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Post by HoldMyOwn on May 2, 2005 5:48:12 GMT -5
I do agree...although they say if that is the case then the $$$ would not be as great because the reg. season will lose it's importance....although i dont agree to that
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Post by aLUmnus on May 2, 2005 7:43:41 GMT -5
That's just more of the media trying to tell us what to think. Every year they try to convince us that nobody (fans) cares about college basketball until tournament time, which is absolutely out of touch with reality. They're just doing the same thing here. It gets really tiring.
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Post by Sly Fox on May 2, 2005 22:22:25 GMT -5
Perhaps the new rules will allow us to get paid to lose to some new I-A opponents who feel they may need a I-AA victory to push them over the bowl eligibility threshold. That'd be real nice.
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Post by PAmedic on May 3, 2005 9:53:38 GMT -5
I'd travel to State College to see Big Blue beat the snot out of us
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Post by Sly Fox on May 3, 2005 10:39:59 GMT -5
JoePa would need a whole lot more than a victory over the Flames to be thinking about bowl eligibility anytime soon.
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Post by guest on May 3, 2005 20:33:06 GMT -5
Again, lets not confuse Character with Christianity. There are many kids that profess to be Christians and don't behave like that and there are many kids that come on campus with no real understanding of the gospel and are model citizens. I know for a fact that some hoop stars came into the school that were not saved but being exposed to the gospel and Christian leaders became curious and wound up getting saved. As a former student athlete, having a Christian environment was important but was not the only thing that weighed in my decision to attend Liberty. You don't have to find a religious school to have a good environment. Conversely even at Liberty if you want to live foul you will find your share of brethren willing to participate...As far as going after the top Christian athletes, I can testify that Men's basketball goes after the top 100 players sometimes the top 10 players when they show an interest. I personally helped coach Dunton many years ago with recruiting Chris Webber who at the time had Liberty as a top 5 choice (mostly because of his parents). I talked with CWebb on the phone even though I wasn't coaching or playing at the time but I knew I could give him a real feel for Liberty. (I wonder what happened to that Weber guy ). My only point is at Liberty you should evaluate character not just belief system. Scar, I totally agree with you re: character vs. christian. That being said, how can we expect Dunton to recruit men of character when he has major character flaws himself? I know for a FACT that Dunton was campaigning for Meyers job (with senior administration officals) while he was assistant coach to Meyer, and underminig him whenever possible. What kind of loyalty/character does that show? I have no problem with Dunton wanting the job, but the correct thing to do would be to resign and then apply for the job when it comes open, or be up front about his aspirations with Jeff and the AD's and come to a resolution for the present, while he whole-heartedly supports his boss and looks to the future for opportunities. Make no mistake, I am not a Meyer fan. I think he made some major mistakes and should have been fired before he was. I think some problems Dunton is facing now, is due to his past loyalty (or lack thereof) issues. Bottom line is, he is not a good fit for the university nor the program. He is not the guy to take us where we wish to go, will always be in shadow of the girls program and cannot take us to the next level (dominating the BS EVERY year and possible move to a better conference). We need a Lomar type (UW and a good Christian by the way), with experience at a major progam to blaze the trail. We obviously have the juice to do it ie. Sam R., A. Worthington, Bobby R. Soon, the person who is protecting Dunton, will be figured out, and have no influence with the new AD and we will have a new coach. We can only hope. We are stuck in nueteral currently
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Post by LUconn on May 4, 2005 8:50:21 GMT -5
overshadowed by the women's program? Have you attended any games lately? No matter how successful the women's team gets, students will just not care for WBB as much as they do for men's. I'd love to compare attendance records of last year if anybody has any.
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Post by JackSparrow81 on May 4, 2005 9:43:02 GMT -5
Conferences and higher divisions don't take schools based on their winning percentages and definitly dont determine it on head basketball coaches. There is just way too many examples to list to defend that argument in any sport. So that has nothing to with Dunton period. Secondly, Loyalty in college sports? Where? Very few places. Thirdly, winning the Big South every year. I wish it, but it defintily aint going to happen anytime soon. With Coastal bringing in the new coach and the stellar, but shady recruiting class and Winthrop still in the picture and the rest of the Big South schools, it will be tough winning again. What Dunton has accomplished in the past three years is quite a feet especially what he is going up against. I'm not taking anything away from the Women's team but take the Feenstra sisters off the team for the past 6 years and then see what Phil Jackso, I mean coach Green's results would have been.
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Post by SeoulFlame on May 5, 2005 6:21:20 GMT -5
Jack, saying Green and the lady flames are good only becuase of the Feestra sisters is like saying the Bull's were only good because of Michael Jordan. He recruited them to LU, that is why LU and Coach Green win. Green set himself up to have a winning program and the sisters were part of it.
LUConn, overshadowed does not only mean attendance. Have you seen LU men on ESPN in the last year (besides on the ticker). The men are going to be overshadowed until they start to consistantly keep quality players and build a program that is worth respecting (like coach Green has).
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Post by LUconn on May 5, 2005 7:49:30 GMT -5
Well what are they overshadowed with then? ESPN appearences? The plain and simple truth is there are very few people who care about WBB. Just to say that because it's more successful than the men's team means it overshadows them is silly. Does the track team overshadow them too? They had LU's first ever national champion on the team. I mean that was on ESPN. Local interest is what matters, and although all of our sports are very low on that scale, I'd have to say MBB and Football are the highest of those because they're the only sports that matter.
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Post by PAmedic on May 5, 2005 11:03:44 GMT -5
LUConn, I gotta disagree w/ ya on this one. I don't really like ANY form of B-ball but the Lady Flames DEFINITELY overshadow the men and for GOOD REASON. At least in national status, recruiting power and respect- as well as other reasons I am sure I'm overlooking. This is similar to the Lady Huskies over shadowing the UConn football team. Not that UConn is bad, just that there is such a legacy attached to their ladies teams up there.
Now, LU isn't to THAT level yet, but the affect on our sports program as a whole is similar. From the view of those of us (Old Hags) off campus and far away, the ONLY thing you hear @ LU besides Jerry is Ladies B-ball.
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Post by PAmedic on May 5, 2005 11:15:29 GMT -5
look at it this way- continued success for the ladies, even overshadowing the men AND football , is only GOOD PR for us and will help recruiting in ALL areas. face time never hurts, ya know?
and I know- we're off topic AGAIN
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