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Sept 20, 2005 11:53:59 GMT -5
Post by PAmedic on Sept 20, 2005 11:53:59 GMT -5
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Sept 21, 2005 14:18:47 GMT -5
Post by PAmedic on Sept 21, 2005 14:18:47 GMT -5
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Sept 21, 2005 14:21:22 GMT -5
Post by PAmedic on Sept 21, 2005 14:21:22 GMT -5
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Sept 28, 2005 6:32:56 GMT -5
Post by PAmedic on Sept 28, 2005 6:32:56 GMT -5
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Sept 28, 2005 6:35:00 GMT -5
Post by PAmedic on Sept 28, 2005 6:35:00 GMT -5
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Sept 28, 2005 19:49:57 GMT -5
Post by ATrain on Sept 28, 2005 19:49:57 GMT -5
They both placed third...its basically a single-elimination tournament with a loser's bracket to determine third place and below.
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Oct 5, 2005 9:04:22 GMT -5
Post by PAmedic on Oct 5, 2005 9:04:22 GMT -5
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Oct 7, 2005 14:16:58 GMT -5
Post by ATrain on Oct 7, 2005 14:16:58 GMT -5
A little shack located in the middle of the courts makes up the Esbenshade-Hershey Tennis Center...don't ask me how they came up with a name for it, and who those people are, b/c I have NO idea.
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Dec 5, 2005 19:41:54 GMT -5
Post by PAmedic on Dec 5, 2005 19:41:54 GMT -5
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Dec 5, 2005 20:01:56 GMT -5
Post by Sly Fox on Dec 5, 2005 20:01:56 GMT -5
So is Aguilar a candidate to fill the head coaching position on either an interim or permanent basis?
I have absolutely no idea but I'm curious.
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Dec 5, 2005 20:10:01 GMT -5
Post by PAmedic on Dec 5, 2005 20:10:01 GMT -5
have heard absolutely NOTHING on this. Assuming that when the new AD is named- one of his initial jobs is gonna be getting the tennis program straightened out- probably interview who's there now and make a decision? just guessing here...
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Dec 6, 2005 16:29:20 GMT -5
Post by The Outsider on Dec 6, 2005 16:29:20 GMT -5
The rumor was that when Hubbard was fired, "the powers that be" didn't know he was the tennis coach as well as the Ast. AD. So I'm guessing the people in the Athletic Dept. are scrambling... since no one saw it coming.
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Dec 6, 2005 19:40:33 GMT -5
Post by thelaxman on Dec 6, 2005 19:40:33 GMT -5
This is typical of the LU Administration. How can you forget that Hubbard was the Tennis Coach! I guess Tennis is not as important as Football or Basketball. I just find this whole mess TYPICAL.
Thelaxman
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Dec 6, 2005 21:56:22 GMT -5
Post by Sly Fox on Dec 6, 2005 21:56:22 GMT -5
Don't hold back, laxman. Let it all out.
;D
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Dec 6, 2005 22:27:56 GMT -5
Post by PAmedic on Dec 6, 2005 22:27:56 GMT -5
so if I post that the rumors say the Outsider spews trash that is completely fabricated- will that gain instant credibility as well?
cool- thats some impressive fact checking we have here. The fact is- upon digging I was advised from DAY 1 that in ADDITION to his responsibilities in the ADs office(student-athelete advisory capacity) he was not going to be retained as Tennis coach.
sounds like it admin had it covered to me.
Believe me- I'm no blind follower of the admin, never was- but at some point lets MOVE on here. You're probably still upset about Mondale/Ferraro for cryin out loud. At least of you are going to make accusations look for some sources or foundation instead of posting vague insinuations. These accusations could happen to anyone of us in the workplace and you'd be just as defenseless as those you attack.
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Dec 6, 2005 22:29:44 GMT -5
Post by PAmedic on Dec 6, 2005 22:29:44 GMT -5
In case you haven't picked up on it- I'm sick of every thread turning into an LU ADMINISTRATION SUCKS thread. Move on, or find any one of the numerous other boards out there that bash LU and what we stand for.
Good night.
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Dec 7, 2005 0:30:24 GMT -5
Post by The Outsider on Dec 7, 2005 0:30:24 GMT -5
In case you haven't picked up on it- I'm sick of every thread turning into an LU ADMINISTRATION SUCKS thread. Move on, or find any one of the numerous other boards out there that bash LU and what we stand for. Good night. I don't hate the LU administration but i heard someone who should know what he is talking about say that Dr. Falwell didn't realize that he was the Tennis coach when he made the order to let him go. I didn't say that it would have changed the decision it just seams like it put the Tennis program in a bind since there wasn't any urgency in finding a replacement. As for "information." I don't see you posting your sources... so why should I? Isn't that a bit hypocritical? For all we know, your info could just be a rumor too. BTW... of all the things someone could make up why this? If my goal was to lie to make the admin look bad, why would a choose this story? I could certainly make up a better tale. Oh and the Mondale reference missed the target... most of us were barely alive when they ran. It's a good thing I read my history book or you would have flown that one over my head. Good Night John Boy
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Dec 7, 2005 6:46:15 GMT -5
Post by PAmedic on Dec 7, 2005 6:46:15 GMT -5
oh. I'm sorry. My mistake. I didn't realize that you HEARD someone who SHOULD know what they're talking about.
(by the way- when you print something which directly accuses someone- by name- of a specific action- which you can't substantiate- you border on liable and are potentially subsceptable to a defamation suit if it can be shown that your actions are so reprehensible and false that they effect a person's reputation in the community or cast aspersions on them. Do you have a right to express your opinion? Yes, so long as your statement of opinion is just an opinion, not containing specific facts that can be proved untrue. I'd advise you to tread carefully.)
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tallyw
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Dec 7, 2005 9:46:53 GMT -5
Post by tallyw on Dec 7, 2005 9:46:53 GMT -5
I'm with Medic. I think it's pretty weak for someone to get on the board without a verified account (guest) and post critical, negative and pointless accusations toward the administration.
It's one thing for people to come on the board and post what they've heard about possible candidates for positions in the athletic office or simply suggest upcoming events which are stated as their own opinion... these things attack no one and provide for hypothetical conversations about OPINION. None of these are passed off as "facts" attempting to hurt anyone else.
It's even okay for someone to toss out discussion about a potential recruit and get feedback from the board... again these things do not hurt anyone.... they put no one in a bad light and are harmless discussion. When you get on the board however and toss out slander behind a "guest" name... you need to know that you're crossing the line.
There is a world of difference from suggesting that you have a source who said we're doing XYZ on ____ date. That is verifiable. It will happen or it will not. But to come on here and speculate about what someone was THINKING??? Wrong. You don't have a source who knows Dr. Falwell's thought pattern, I'm sorry. Unless your source is the Doc himself? hmmm.
My guess is that you have never led an organization. If you've ever led anyone you'd understand how bad you look to those of us who do lead for a living. You would understand how ridiculous it looks to try and undercut people this way. You would understand why Laxman gets respect for sharing his frustration openly while you get people upset. You'd understand that there is a proper way to express disappointment and then there is slander and liable. Outsider, slow down. Be kind. Speak as to what you really know or else just say “this is my opinion…” or “I think”.
We may now return to our normally scheduled post.
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Dec 7, 2005 9:50:15 GMT -5
Post by HoldMyOwn on Dec 7, 2005 9:50:15 GMT -5
That kinda stuff will get you in trouble one day....as far as what Dr. Falwell did and did not know... 1. He DID know he was a Tennis Coach 2. He DID know his record as a TENNIS COACH in the Big South...and if you did too, you'd wonder why it didnt happen a few years ago 3. Dr. Falwell may not know everything about sports but thats why he seeks council from those who know about the current situation (If it's Tennis he'll speak to people who are connected or around the Tennis Team...BBall, same thing, Fball same thing...) Take it easy SLY i just had to say that i'm done now! In case you haven't picked up on it- I'm sick of every thread turning into an LU ADMINISTRATION SUCKS thread. Move on, or find any one of the numerous other boards out there that bash LU and what we stand for. Good night. I don't hate the LU administration but i heard someone who should know what he is talking about say that Dr. Falwell didn't realize that he was the Tennis coach when he made the order to let him go. I didn't say that it would have changed the decision it just seams like it put the Tennis program in a bind since there wasn't any urgency in finding a replacement. As for "information." I don't see you posting your sources... so why should I? Isn't that a bit hypocritical? For all we know, your info could just be a rumor too. BTW... of all the things someone could make up why this? If my goal was to lie to make the admin look bad, why would a choose this story? I could certainly make up a better tale. Oh and the Mondale reference missed the target... most of us were barely alive when they ran. It's a good thing I read my history book or you would have flown that one over my head. Good Night John Boy
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Dec 7, 2005 9:56:54 GMT -5
Post by thelaxman on Dec 7, 2005 9:56:54 GMT -5
Sly Fox:
Believe me I can open up on this and make this the hottest thread on the site. But I agree with PAmedic that there are other places one can go to bash the LU Administration and I don't believe that is fair at this point.
I try to be a person that gives his opinions based on facts that he knows and I just don't know enough on this situation to express my whole opinion. I also even tough I have my disagreements, I have a great deal of respect for the University and the LU Administration. I also think a lot of Dr. Falwell.
What I do know is how things work from the inside with the LU Administration and how much my Family and myself have went through this past year. I do know what it feels like to come close to losing my Life on a Highway in Alabama. I do know what it feels like to almost lose two of my Sons in a senseless accident. I do know that now the University makes sure that Club Sports have what they need to travel now. But before the accident they could care less. I built a nationally ranked Lacrosse Team for LU and all I got was spit on from the the University. In the end I'm not bitter but disappointed. I am thankful to have my life and my Family all in one piece.
What I know about this Hubbard thing is Larry is a A1 Class Guy and someone I have a great deal of respect for. If he did deserve to lose his job. Then we all need to move on and get excited about the new Athletic Department and what direction the University is going. Because I know Larry so well I just may never understand why Larry was fired but again the Administration has their reasons and we need to look forward.
The big thing I know first hand about LU is that they make a lot of mistakes without looking at what the outcomes will be down the road in the future. Maybe for example firing Larry Hubbard and forgetting that he is the Men's and Women's Tennis Coach. Since Tennis is not a big time College Sport like Football and Basketball they may think that it is no big deal. But it is a big deal for the kids that are being recruited to Liberty to play Tennis and the kids that play in that program.
Anyway I said way too much and let's move on like PAmedic says.
Thelaxman
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Dec 7, 2005 12:04:27 GMT -5
Post by The Outsider on Dec 7, 2005 12:04:27 GMT -5
Not wanting to cause any problems, but if you are friends him Hubbard laxman, then you can ask him why he got fired and he’ll tell you. He told me and a bunch of other people on the way to his office after it all went down. He questioned Dunton on illegal benefits for his players and he and Falwell had friction over something. That’s why he got the boot. He also said they did know he was the men’s and women’s tennis coach, but like you said that could have just slipped their mind. Anyways, that’s straight from the most reliable source there is on this topic, Hubbard. Anyways, it’s over now so lets move on.
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Dec 7, 2005 12:41:42 GMT -5
Post by thelaxman on Dec 7, 2005 12:41:42 GMT -5
Listen Outsider,
Larry had nothing negative to say about Liberty University or Falwell or the LU Administration. He is not that kind of Guy. Yes, I could dig into this deeper to find out the reason for all of you on the board. But it is one of those things we need to let go. I have too much respect for Larry Hubbard to do that. If he wants all of us to know he would go public and tell us. I just speak from my opinion of knowing him and working with him this last year.
I have given my opinion on what I know and you have on what you know. I'm hopeful that LU will get a competent Coach for the Tennis team that can win the Big South and do great things.
As an Alumni I'm hopeful that the Liberty University Athletic department will be a great testimony for our Lord and do some great things on the Athletic Field in the future with the changes they are making.
Now please register Outsider!
Later,
Thelaxman
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Dec 7, 2005 14:06:44 GMT -5
Post by The Outsider on Dec 7, 2005 14:06:44 GMT -5
Laxman ... go re-read my post ... I never said that Hubbard said anything bad about Liberty or its administration, all I said was he told us why he got fired ... I would register, but then again what's the point!
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Dec 7, 2005 14:29:53 GMT -5
Post by thelaxman on Dec 7, 2005 14:29:53 GMT -5
OK, the Outsider if you know so much then I'm all ears. Second the point is if you want creditability around here you need to register.
I refuse to confront Larry on this whole matter out of respect for him. But if you know something drop me a PM. One thing I do know about Larry he really is a true Man of God and a great Coach and Administrator and that is where my loyalty is. He is also a good friend and was one of the few people in that whole Athletic Department that would help me out so the Lacrosse Team would have a game field and a practice field to play on. Also if he was in Lacrosse today Coaching he would be doing some great things in that sport.
My personal feeling is He was too good for Liberty. But that is only my opinion. The Guy played on a NCAA Div. 1 National Championship program. It does not get any more elite in the sport of Lacrosse then the University of Maryland.
All the best,
Thelaxman
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Dec 7, 2005 15:38:23 GMT -5
Post by The Outsider on Dec 7, 2005 15:38:23 GMT -5
I'll agree with all of your points ... I never said anything bad about the guy ... I worked with him for 6 years and thought he was a great person ...
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Dec 7, 2005 15:59:32 GMT -5
Post by thelaxman on Dec 7, 2005 15:59:32 GMT -5
OK, the outsider, we are in agreement. But you should try to register. It just helps with creditability so we really know who is giving the opinions and that you are not some flamer throwing information out from the Hip.
In all honesty with all these changes going on at the University let's keep the people who run the show in prayer. I'm very excited about the Football program and I'm looking at possibly coming to Lynchburg next Fall for a game. I also look forward in seeing who is selected as the new Tennis Coach and what the strategy is to build up a Team that would win the Big South in Tennis. Winthrop seems to have one of the best teams in the Big South.
All the best,
Thelaxman
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Dec 8, 2005 22:53:48 GMT -5
Post by FireHouseRocks on Dec 8, 2005 22:53:48 GMT -5
That kinda stuff will get you in trouble one day....as far as what Dr. Falwell did and did not know... 1. He DID know he was a Tennis Coach 2. He DID know his record as a TENNIS COACH in the Big South...and if you did too, you'd wonder why it didnt happen a few years ago 3. Dr. Falwell may not know everything about sports but thats why he seeks council from those who know about the current situation (If it's Tennis he'll speak to people who are connected or around the Tennis Team...BBall, same thing, Fball same thing...) Take it easy SLY i just had to say that i'm done now! [/quote] I can't imagine he was let go because of the Tennis side of things... his record over the last 4 years is right at .500... not great but a lot better than before he came. Is someone really suggesting he was fired as an Assistant AD because of the Tennis team's record?
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Dec 8, 2005 22:57:12 GMT -5
Post by PAmedic on Dec 8, 2005 22:57:12 GMT -5
can we at least move this to another thread- its now detracting from the kids on the tennis team and this is THEIR thread.
PLEASE
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Dec 9, 2005 12:22:33 GMT -5
Post by FireHouseRocks on Dec 9, 2005 12:22:33 GMT -5
can we at least move this to another thread- its now detracting from the kids on the tennis team and this is THEIR thread. PLEASE My question is related to tennis. This is the tennis thread. I don't mean any harm to the kids, but my question was legitimate. If someone wants to move it then ok, but otherwise, I'm not sure what was wrong with my question.
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