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Post by Sly Fox on Sept 25, 2004 22:23:46 GMT -5
As much as we'd like to talk about moral victories in our 27-17 loss at Youngstown State, its important the team begin to get back in a winning mode before the season begins spinning out of control. A 3-game losing streak can quickly become a 6-game skid .
That said, the Penguins obviously didn't overpower the Flames. So perhaps Coach Karcher has them beginning to believe in his message.
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Post by Sly Fox on Oct 1, 2004 18:33:27 GMT -5
OK, its time to start the abbreviated Big South schedule. I'm going to say something that may leave some folks around a little peeved once again. WE SHOULD HANDILY BEAT GARDNER-WEBB. Enough said.
I still find it difficult to believe that school the size and with the national scope of Liberty would have any trouble whatsoever rolling through these little Big Southies.
Let's get this thing turned around right now.
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Post by guest on Oct 2, 2004 9:39:45 GMT -5
I used to interview Coach Karcher, and let me tell you, he doesn't have a clue.
There is no "grand plan" that the players have to buy in to. His original plan was to get recruits in to his system so by the time they become seniors, Liberty has the chance to compete for a NATIONAL championship. His words. Not mine.
But that's been derailed. Not only are we farther away from competing for that national championship than we were when he first stepped foot on Liberty mountain, but it's getting to the point where we aren't even sure if we can win against a small school such as Gardner-Webb.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again - Fire Karcher.
(Oh, and I've tried to register for this site but I haven't gotten the confirmation e-mail yet).
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Post by Sly Fox on Oct 3, 2004 8:46:29 GMT -5
Try registering again. Its great having divergent viewpoints on here. In fact, let any other LU students/alumni know about this place.
I've only talked to Karcher once, and that was on the phone. One of his former college head coaches, Mack Brown, had nice things to say about him to me back when Karcher was hired. But admittedly, it had been quite awhile since Mack had been around Coach Karcher. And frankly, I doubt Mack would have said much bad either way knowing his personality.
All that said, even a rather meager victory over G-W is reason to be happy. The 3-game skid is over. Perhaps now we can begin to build some momentum.
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Post by jimflamesfan on Oct 3, 2004 19:56:30 GMT -5
Yes, I was very happy that LU won last night over Gardner-Webb. But now the other problem that we are having is all of our running backs are getting hurt (Goodman and Barnes look to be finished for the season already).
Troth seemed to have a better game...hopefully Gado will continue to run like he did yesterday and Troth will have some kind of breakout game next week against William and Mary.
We'll see. At least there are still things to cheer about (we can still win the Big South now!)...a loss yeterday would have had me agreeing with the guest's emails, but now I'm still holding my judgment...we'll see what happens in the next couple of weeks.
Go Flames!
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Post by guest2 on Oct 4, 2004 11:23:47 GMT -5
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Post by Sly Fox on Oct 4, 2004 20:45:13 GMT -5
The problem with a Big South board is dealing with those idiots from the other Big South schools. That said, its not bad.
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Post by Sly Fox on Oct 10, 2004 8:05:21 GMT -5
I go back to the original topic of this thread ... getting back on track.
After getting pushed around by William & Mary, Coach Karcher has an extra week to prepare for the team's 2nd Big South matchup. It will be a good opportunity to lick some wounds and refocus on another conference can of corn.
Never, and I repeat never, should the Flames ever lose a football game to the Chanticleers of Coastal Carolina. Its time to regain some momentum and improve to 2-0 in BSC.
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Post by Chantman on Oct 19, 2004 11:45:19 GMT -5
I go back to the original topic of this thread ... getting back on track. After getting pushed around by William & Mary, Coach Karcher has an extra week to prepare for the team's 2nd Big South matchup. It will be a good opportunity to lick some wounds and refocus on another conference can of corn. Never, and I repeat never, should the Flames ever lose a football game to the Chanticleers of Coastal Carolina. Its time to regain some momentum and improve to 2-0 in BSC. Hope to see you back on this board on the 24th. |
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Post by Uh oh on Oct 19, 2004 12:23:21 GMT -5
The problem with a Big South board is dealing with those idiots from the other Big South schools. That said, its not bad. Uh oh! There has been an infestation of chanticleers in the Fire House!!!  It should be a great game this year Flamers. I do believe we have sold out the student sections already. Good luck eating all of the foot if you guys don't beat us ;D . |
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Post by Jawz on Oct 19, 2004 12:27:17 GMT -5
on Oct 4th, 2004, 8:45pm, Sly Fox wrote:The problem with a Big South board is dealing with those idiots from the other Big South schools. That said, its not bad. Uh oh! There has been an infestation of chanticleers in the Fire House!!! It should be a great game this year Flamers. I do believe we have sold out the student sections already. Good luck eating all of the foot if you guys don't beat us . Sorry guys!  I'm trying to get use to this board format |
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Post by Sly Fox on Oct 19, 2004 14:22:53 GMT -5
Losing to a Chanticleer in anything is embarassing enough. But doing it in football would be downright humilitiating.
I'm not going anywhere but I doubt my feet will be needed for anything except stepping over the carcass of another lame Big South speck on the map.
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Post by Captain Cluck on Oct 19, 2004 15:48:37 GMT -5
My goodness, I thought Liberty was coming to town Saturday night, not Georgia Southern for crying out loud. What in the heck have you people ever won in football...?  |
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Post by Jawz on Oct 20, 2004 9:52:18 GMT -5
They are a big school Captain who play smaller schools like Coastal, but the difference between them an us is that we have goals (SoCon) and they don't. They like to linger in the "big" South where they at least have a chance to win .500 + games due to the simple fact that they "out- enroll" everybody else. With the # of students they have at Liberty, they should be in Div.1-A! But no...they just linger.  |
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Post by guest2 on Oct 20, 2004 10:27:55 GMT -5
we had like 6500 students last year (not counting EDP) and...i duno, maybe 8000 this year(?) Should have at least 15K for 1-A right?
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Post by guest2 on Oct 20, 2004 10:34:52 GMT -5
well i guess you don't hAVe to have near 15K for 1-A,
but Coastal has like 5000...barely less than LU 3 years ago
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Post by jimflamesfan on Oct 20, 2004 21:53:03 GMT -5
Note to the Coastal Fans...it's hard to go I-A in football because with the new rules you have to average at least 16,000 fans (or something like that) per game for an average of 3 years to stay 1-A. So some smaller I-A teams (Buffalo, Kent State, etc) are going to have a hard time staying I-A, yet alone Liberty (even though I am a true fan of Liberty, we are only averaging about 10,500 or so in attendance this year, and this is a good year for attendance - it would be nuts for us to try to go I-A at this point in time. Furthermore, LU and Coastal should have a common thing to complain about...and that is Elon. If it weren't for Elon bolting, we would have 6 teams in our football conference. The Southern Conference didn't need Elon. They were just worried that the Big South winner might make their conference lose an automatic bid. With 6 teams, the Big South wouldn't necessarily get an automatic bid into the I-AA playoffs, but it would give the school that won the conference a 50/50 shot... they would get in if they were ranked better than the next lowest automatic bid. All this talk of schools leaving the Big South is overrated. As far as Coastal wanting to join the SoCon and Radford wanting to join the Atlantic Sun...those seem like noble goals...but really I don't see how much more prestigious either of those conferences are than the Big South...the SoCon is a conferece that's heyday is behind them, the best schools from it have joined bigger conferences...joining it will get your school a little bit better bid if you win the conference, but it will be a lot harder to win, and more travel will be involved. As for Radford, the Atlantic Sun is also falling apart, losing Troy state and I can't remeber the other school. It would be even more travel for them I have no idea what those people are thinking. (At least with Coastal, you have a recruiting advantage in being near the beach  - and the SoCon fits you better geographically). However, the Big South does need one more football school, I don't know what is taking so long...my goodness, Norfolk State in the MEAC, why don't they come and join the Big South...we'd be a better fit for them in terms of location of schools. Hope its a good game this weekend. Hats off to the Coastal fans, I've never seen as many posts from another school at this site. (I still want the Flames to win, so GO FLAMES)  |
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Post by jimflamesfan on Oct 20, 2004 21:54:30 GMT -5
Correction to my note above,
I meant that the SoCon might lose an at-large football bid if the Big South had six schools.
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Post by Sly Fox on Oct 20, 2004 22:27:49 GMT -5
There has been a movement among Liberty alumni the past couple of years to try and lobby the school administration to consider making the jump to Division I-A status. Frankly, I couldn't understand why they wouldn't make the leap when they had the chance. The major schools are paying up $750k and more for Div I-A newbies to come to their house and get pummelled. I don't know about Coastal, but I can tell you that kind of jack would go a L O N G way to helping the the LU athetic department budget. Sure, we'd be getting slaughtered by the powerhouses at the beginning of the season. But we'd be able to recruit a completely different type of athlete based on the opportunity to play against the Big Ten/SEC/Big 12's of the world.
But as Jim mentioned, this past year the NCAA reacted to the flood of schools making the jump up to I-A status from I-AA by passing new guidelines that must be maintained in order to have I-A certification. The new guidelines mean that some longtime I-A schools may wind up dropping down or dropping their football programs while sending some of the newbies packing back down to I-AA.
Home attendance is just one of the many criteria along with the number of scholarship sports in the athletic department and a few other scholarship details. Bottom line, nobody in the Big South is going to be stepping up anytime soon.
As for the Southern Conference, it was Liberty primary objective to join the league nearly 20 years ago when we moved up from Division II. LU went WAY out of its way to endear itself to the league's members. We went as far as to produce a television package of games to try and sweeten the deal. But the SoCon school presidents didn't want to have anything to do with Jerry Falwell's school that might give it any credibility. It was at that time the Big South came into play.
Liberty has made overtures to a number of conferences over the past few years. The one that would have made the most sense the past couple of years was to be a part of the reworked Atlantic 10. From a geographic and atheltic standpoint it was a logical marriage for everyone involved. But there was just one major problem. The A-10 is made up of Catholic institutions with an air of superiority over the heathen Protestant masses. The last they wanted was to consorting with the likes of a Jerry Falwell. Now St. Bonaventure, they were glad to keep them around. But heaven forbid they let in a pedestrian Baptist school like Liberty.
That leaves Liberty with really only two options right now. Stay in the lame but convenient Big South or go Independent. Considering how the NCAA operates its postseasons these days, being in a conference with an automatic bid is a near necessity. So here we are.
AS for enrollment comparisons between LU and other Big South schools, its really a matter of apples and oranges. Its hard to compare a school with a primarily on-campus student body to commuter schools and much smaller institutions. One is not better than the other, but they have different makeups and needs.
And finally, I never thought I'd see the day Coastal would actually have a rabid following. You guys may have one of the most embarassing mascots in college sports, but at least you have passion. Too bad it will be smothered on Saturday.
War Flames
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Post by rokamortis on Oct 21, 2004 7:06:53 GMT -5
The Chanticleer is far from embarrassing. It is a unique mascot that represents quick wit and athleticism. It is also based on one of the best pieces of classic literature - how many schools can say that? When you look at mascots most people looking from the outside in can gripe about them. Hokies, Gamecocks, Terriers, Banana Slugs, Beavers .... Flames. Then there are the same old mascots that everyone has - Bulldogs, Tigers, Eagles ...
I agree that BigSouth needs to get some more football schools. I heard PC may be interested. Would be a good fit IMO.
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Post by rokamortis on Oct 21, 2004 7:52:08 GMT -5
gamethingys - lmao - good job language filter.
Anyway - Sly ... I'm glad you are so confident about your chances on Saturday. Should make for a long drive back.
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Post by Coastal89 on Oct 21, 2004 9:39:35 GMT -5
Rock, you forgot the Long Beach Dirtbags. WHAT?
GGGGGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CHANTS
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Post by Sly Fox on Oct 21, 2004 10:08:24 GMT -5
Long Beach State are the 49ers. Dirtbags are an unofficial nickname reserved for the baseball guys. But I get your point.
I'm glad you guys take pride in your beloved Chanticleer. I guess I am among the ignorant masses who simply don't get it. But upon further review I am starting to like a school whose chant is "Go Chants". The abdurdity of it is rather amusing.
For the record, my wife went to a VERY famous school whose mascot is a cow. I covered the school for six years and never could stop chuckling as I drove around town and saw statues of cows everywhere. Oh well.
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Post by rokamortis on Oct 21, 2004 14:23:57 GMT -5
Cnaticleer is pronounced SHON-ti-cleer. So it sounds like Go Shonts! |
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Post by rokamortis on Oct 21, 2004 14:24:38 GMT -5
Darn it - I can't type!!!
^^^ Chanticleer
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Post by Sly Fox on Oct 21, 2004 22:01:30 GMT -5
I'm familiar with the pronunciation. Although I believe the literary reference was pronounced SHON-tuh-clair.
I was just making a weak attempt at comedy. Humor me.
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Post by Jawz on Oct 25, 2004 15:10:09 GMT -5
33-6
THAT's pretty funny. Oh yeah, it's pronounced ther-tEE thrEE to siKs.
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- and the SoCon fits you better geographically).
