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Post by lufbfan3 on Oct 2, 2005 21:34:36 GMT -5
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Post by PAmedic on Oct 2, 2005 21:47:27 GMT -5
He continues to throw Farrell under the bus. I will admit, there appears to be a limit to the talent there w/ him, to be honest. what else can you say.
Coach K made a good point though- these guys never gave up. I know we were drilling them last week, but I watched the sidelines and neither the coaches or the guys EVER gave up.
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Post by lufbfan3 on Oct 2, 2005 22:31:12 GMT -5
Yea, I do think that is to be commended. I agree with your comments on Brock, but I still sympathize with him. I think he's definitely hard on himself from what he says in the media--he's definitely a humble guy. I just feel bad for our guys, because I'm sure they are just in survival mode to finish out the season as best they can. Saturday was a disappointing loss because it was a team that actually was a good match for us and we still couldn't deliver a win. We were so close, just couldn't make it all the way. I'm sure they're pretty down, let's hope for a miracle next week.
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Post by thesportscritic on Oct 2, 2005 22:47:22 GMT -5
More excuses from Karcher. Needs to take more responsibility for his team. And God didn't make the team lose. Heard that nonsense in the prayer on the radio after the game. Lack of execution on the team's part. At least they tried.
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Post by what on Oct 2, 2005 23:14:14 GMT -5
More excuses from Karcher. Needs to take more responsibility for his team. And God didn't make the team lose. Heard that nonsense in the prayer on the radio after the game. Lack of execution on the team's part. At least they tried. I listened to it to and I didn't hear him say anything like that. You may be taking a little bit of a liberty with what he said. |
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Post by LU Fan is back on Oct 3, 2005 0:31:44 GMT -5
Excuses? I am not going to say I am a Karcher fan...but where are the excuses?
Were you at the game? Brock made 2 horrible reads and basically 2 game changing (losing) throws. First Int he misreads the OLB playing the slant, Throws a 3rd and Goal pass to the outside for a INT....2nd INT - Exactly what Karcher said, Cornerback blitz, leaves Brandon Turner along the sideline, and Brock Floats what turned into a Punt return for the Free Safety.
Defense should get a lot of credit, held VMI the whole second half and gave our Offense a great chance.
Another observation....any 5 and out, 10 and out, was given freely by Wallace our left side CB...also missed key tackles of a screen play the led to the field goal.
its a tough break, kids hung in there...student body is down and they have basically lost a lot of support, no one is giving them much of a chance around here, and when u lose several games like they did...thats gonna happen in sports. They faught hard and hung in there, just a tough break at the end.
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Post by lufbfan3 on Oct 3, 2005 0:54:01 GMT -5
I don't think he meant that what Karcher said wasn't true--some people are just tired of Karcher not doing what most coaches do-and saying Yes, these people screwed up-but so did I. The times Karcher takes ANY responsibility for his part in the team's losses are few and far between (if ever).
When it comes down to it, if a team has won 1 game out of 4--coaches have to take some responsibility. Be it because of poor recruiting, poor preparation, or poor leadership-if a team is losing like we have been, most coaches take responsibility for their share of the mistakes as well.
Not trying to bash Karcher-just my opinion.
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Post by PAmedic on Oct 3, 2005 6:31:19 GMT -5
Another observation....any 5 and out, 10 and out, was given freely by Wallace our left side CB... yeah, gotta agree I was beside myself watching VMI #7 (Burden?) run free most of the first half. We played WAY off him, maybe out of respect- but he tore us up! 2nd half was much better- tight D on that side. |
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Post by thesportscritic on Oct 3, 2005 9:22:36 GMT -5
who ever you flybyers are you'll need to register. Defense was decent but we choked on offense
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Post by SCAR on Oct 3, 2005 9:24:51 GMT -5
Sportscritic, didn't see you in the Vines on Sat or Williams Stadium. You could have met Medic and mrs Medic. Holla at you boy next time man.
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Post by thesportscritic on Oct 3, 2005 9:28:30 GMT -5
There are times that some teams pray some prayer like "God is trying to teach us (the team) something through losing" The football team prays like that a lot. I don't agree with that type of prayer. A team gets what they deserve and God doesn't make them turn the ball over or make mistakes either. The team does it to themselves. My philosophy in sports is a team gets what they deserve. If they outwork another team then they most likely get the win. VMI out worked Liberty and VMI deserved to win the game
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Post by eddantes on Oct 3, 2005 10:23:36 GMT -5
"God is trying to teach us something through losing."
Maybe the Lord is trying to say "Get rid of Karcher."
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Post by eddantes on Oct 3, 2005 10:30:33 GMT -5
Or... "scrap the idea of a football program."
Or... "stop treating football players like quasi-Gods on campus."
Eh... I'm going to stick with God trying to tell us "Fire Karcher."
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Post by eddantes on Oct 3, 2005 10:32:01 GMT -5
I mean, God is probably saying "well GEEZ! Didn't you see Karcher's overall record after last season? And you still gave him a contract extension? Do I have to spell it out for you?"
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Post by PAmedic on Oct 3, 2005 10:54:33 GMT -5
ED, you're talking to yourself again.
you're gonna end up as nuts as the rest of us.
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Post by thesportscritic on Oct 3, 2005 12:20:09 GMT -5
eddantes do you like talking to yourself? I guess so. What I am saying is God doesn't make a team win or lose. It is up to the team to win or lose. A team gets what they deserve whether they win or lose. Teams have to work hard to be successful.
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Post by eddantes on Oct 3, 2005 14:58:08 GMT -5
Sportscritic: If I were you, I would never say that an entity, such as a person or a team, can accomplish something that God did not allow. It's foolish theology to say otherwise, because to do so would be to say that the entity is above God.
If victory is dependent upon how hard a team practiced, then I ask -- What's the point of praying before a big play, or even a big game? According to you, the outcome is already determined based upon the work that someone has already put in.
You are dabbling in deism. I thought Elmer Towns would have taught you better.
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Post by PAmedic on Oct 3, 2005 15:20:38 GMT -5
Ah, the old predestination vs. free-will debate.
We'll be here a while, ya better start a new thread.
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Post by lufbfan3 on Oct 3, 2005 15:26:35 GMT -5
Eddantes-although I get what you are saying--I don't agree. Obviously God is in the master control, but if a team has no impact on whether they win or lose-why practice? Why not just show up on Saturday and pray for a win?
God gives the talent and the opportunity and he knows what the outcome will be before the game--obviously he allows losses and wins-but saying every week "It's a God thing that we lost" is just an easy out. That's like saying "It's not our fault that we lost-it's God's." I don't think anyone is contesting the awesomeness of God.
And yep, I'm going with God's trying to tell EVERYONE that karcher's gotta go.
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Post by eddantes on Oct 3, 2005 16:13:21 GMT -5
Eddantes-although I get what you are saying--I don't agree. Obviously God is in the master control, but if a team has no impact on whether they win or lose-why practice? Why not just show up on Saturday and pray for a win? And yep, I'm going with God's trying to tell EVERYONE that karcher's gotta go. I agree with your last statement. As for the second-to-last, let me preface this by saying that I was not a theology major. You are absolutely right in what you said, but of course, there are two sides to the coin. Its like asking, if you had a big test would it be better to pray all night or to study? I'd opt to study -- and then pray right before the test. I don't want to get into a theological discussion, because as I stated, I am NOT a theology major. I just think it is a cop out to say that God willed LU to lose. (And God's probably saying "Hey, it wasn't me who decided to run to the right side on the second-to-last play. I, the Creator of the Universe, know that running up the middle would provide for a better angle on the field goal attempt.) Now, if the kick was headed towards the uprights but hit a bird along the way, and subsequently missed... then I would blame God. Otherwise, it's a lousy coach heading up a lousy team that takes a lousy swipe at the Almighty. |
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Post by thesportscritic on Oct 3, 2005 16:49:56 GMT -5
I think we should use part of this thread as an off topic discussion
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Post by lufbfan3 on Oct 3, 2005 17:01:56 GMT -5
I'm done discussing-except to say that I think we're all on the same page with our opinions, just expressing them in different words. Eddantes-I agree with what you said last. I'm no theology major myself-exercise science is mine--so I'm not much help beyond the basics either! I'm just hoping it's a God thing that we WIN this week  |
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Post by Sly Fox on Oct 3, 2005 17:08:05 GMT -5
Talk about the ultimate hijacking of a thread. Thanks to thesportscritic for starting a new thread in the 'Off Topic' forum.
These are the type of discussions you won't see on many other college sports message boards.
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Post by ATrain on Oct 3, 2005 22:31:50 GMT -5
If God's not saying it, then I am: REMOVE KARCHER
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Post by PAmedic on Oct 3, 2005 22:40:00 GMT -5
Find me that sweatshirt I asked you about and I'll back you up dude!
(Gray, no hoodie or handwarmer pocket, blue block letters only)
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