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Post by madmat79 on Jan 6, 2006 17:20:20 GMT -5
Reliable info from a valid source, OC from Rice/under Ken Hatfield to be our OC/Oline coach.
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Post by Supa J on Jan 6, 2006 17:24:44 GMT -5
I love the option, especially when it's done right.
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Post by madmat79 on Jan 6, 2006 17:27:53 GMT -5
I am a die hard option coach, but it takes a huge commitment by everyone, and a great deal of selflessness, especially by skill. Not a lot of room for ego.
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Post by bigsmooth on Jan 6, 2006 18:20:17 GMT -5
if we go option, terrell would seem to be a better option thann brock smith. who knows! it would bring excitement to liberty football though.
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Post by bigsmooth on Jan 6, 2006 19:18:52 GMT -5
i did some research and this is what i found on rice's former OC. he has a nice resume. maybe sly can get some more info...
Scott Wachenheim is beginning his 12th season at Rice and his fifth as the Owls' offensive coordinator. In his 11 years as the offensive line position coach, Rice has developed front walls that yearly rank among the best in college football.
Under his tutelage, Rice has produced a host of all-conference performers including Scott Mayhew in 2004. Wachenheim's all-conference list also includes Keith Meyer, Billy Harvin, Heath Fowler, Rod Beavan, Chris Cooley, Jeremy Thigpen, Charles Torello, Neal Gray, Chris DeMunbrun and Ben Stephens. Beavan had the added distinction of earning freshman all-America honors in 1996.
Year after year, Rice's offensive line has been the cornerstone of an effective ball-control attack. Last season, Rice led the nation in rushing offense at 306.5 yards per game. In 2003, the Owls were second in the nation in rushing and averaged almost 400 yards of total offense per game. The 3,800 rushing yards that season were the most in Rice history.
In 2001, the offense was arguably the best in school history, setting a new school record for total yards (4,846), almost breaking the school record for points scored with 333, and tying the record for fewest turnovers (14). Along the way, the Owls finished second in the nation in rushing and averaged a sensational 16.1 yards per pass completion in 2001, the best mark in all of Division I football.
In Wachenheim's first season at Rice, the Owls ranked ninth nationally in rushing offense. After finishing third in the nation and second in the WAC in rushing in 1996, his linemen helped the Owls to the second-best rushing total in the nation in 1997 with an average of 332.7 yards a game and the most rushing yards in school history with 3,660.
The 43-year-old Wachenheim is no stranger to Owls head coach Ken Hatfield, nor to the Western Athletic Conference during the Owls' years in that league. He is one of four Rice assistants to have played collegiately for Hatfield (with Theo Young, Arkansas; Jeff Sowells, Rice; and John Bland, Arkansas). A four-year starter at offensive line at the Air Force Academy from 1980 through 1983, he was a first team all-WAC performer in 1983 and earned honorable mention all-America honors for the Falcons as a senior after helping lead Air Force to a 10-2 record.
After receiving his B.S. degree in civil engineering from Air Force in 1984, Wachenheim fulfilled his military requirements in 1984-89. While commissioned as a second lieutenant in 1984, he also served as the offensive coordinator of Air Force's junior varsity football squad.
In 1989, Wachenheim rejoined coach Hatfield for the first time as a graduate assistant coach working with Arkansas' offensive line. In addition to helping out the Razorbacks' 1989 SWC championship team, Wachenheim also served a year under head coach Jack Crowe. He earned a M.Ed. in athletic administration from Arkansas in 1991.
Wachenheim then spent one season at Colorado in 1991. He served as a graduate assistant for a Buffaloes team which tied for the Big Eight title and advanced to the Blockbuster Bowl.
He also served as recruiting coordinator, offensive tackles and tight ends coach for two seasons at Utah State University prior to coming to Rice. In 1993 the Aggies were 7-5, captured the Big West title and won the Las Vegas Bowl.
A native of Woodland Hills, Calif., Wachenheim is a 1980 graduate of Taft High School where he earned all-city and all-Valley League honors as a senior. He and his wife, Karla (a former standout collegiate swimmer for Arizona State), have two sons, Kyle (15) and Tyson (12).
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Post by A.G. on Jan 6, 2006 20:13:53 GMT -5
Well, I sure hope we do better running with a run-oriented coach than we did passing with a pass-oriented coach.
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Post by Sly Fox on Jan 6, 2006 22:54:23 GMT -5
To be honest, I hadn't heard a thing about him coming to Liberty down here in Houston. But it is intriguing. The Owls are always ranked among the top-rushing offenses int he nation (except for this year when injuries decimated their thin numbers).
I will say that Rice utilized the pass effectively out of the option. Frankly, the with a QB who can wing it the offense is even more effective. What Urban Meyer is doing is logical next step from the triple-option Rice has run under Ken Hatfield. Perhaps we run Urban's set.
If someone can confirm the hire as OC, it would be appreciated.
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Post by flamesfan710 on Jan 7, 2006 10:42:45 GMT -5
I still want a high flying spread offense! (although you need a good running game for that too)
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Post by Sly Fox on Jan 7, 2006 10:47:28 GMT -5
H-burg and some of our other coaching experts might want to jump in. Basically, the spread is built on the option platform. We have the athletes in the backfield to make it work ... particularly with the addition of Jennings.
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Post by flamesfan710 on Jan 7, 2006 18:07:42 GMT -5
Interesting...Man if we used Urban Meyer's system...look out world
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Post by Sly Fox on Jan 7, 2006 18:41:44 GMT -5
I posted a query on the Rice board about Coach Wach and got nothing but positive responses. He didn't call plays for the Owls since Hatfield liked to do his own. But apparently Wachenheim is tough-minded O-line guru who developed plenty of hardnosed talent.
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Post by LUeer on Jan 7, 2006 20:16:51 GMT -5
Urban Meyer's offense is really Rich Rodriquez's offense he started at Glenville State, and then took to Tulane and Clemson before returning home to WVU. To make it work you need an incredicble athlete like Woody Danztler, or Pat White. Being a WVU guy it always bugs me when people talk about Meyer's offense. He learned it from the ground up by coming to clinics put on by Rich. No kidding.
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Post by Supa J on Jan 7, 2006 20:36:21 GMT -5
Chris Leak is not the right QB to be in Meyer (or Rodriquez's) system.
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Post by Sly Fox on Jan 7, 2006 22:59:29 GMT -5
Actually, while they are similar the offense Meyer created at Bowling Green State really is nothing more than spreading out the players in a standard triple-option. Its more of a mindset than X&Os.
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Post by flamesfan710 on Jan 8, 2006 13:56:09 GMT -5
Either way, we need to open up the offense. We got the people to do it
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Post by Supa J on Jan 8, 2006 16:35:04 GMT -5
Rumor has it Major Applewhite is going to take over the OC job at Rice. He's only 27 years old.
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Post by guestforever on Jan 8, 2006 16:55:01 GMT -5
Look for Liberty to use a fullback next year. Also, I think the QB job is Brock Smith's and Terrell will be in the mix with Jennings at RB or used in the slot or wideout. If the offensive line does it's job LU's offense could be very good.
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Post by Sly Fox on Jan 8, 2006 17:28:12 GMT -5
Major was indeed named QBs Coach and OC at Rice today. Interesting hire.
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Post by flamesfan710 on Jan 8, 2006 17:41:51 GMT -5
Look for Liberty to use a fullback next year. Also, I think the QB job is Brock Smith's and Terrell will be in the mix with Jennings at RB or used in the slot or wideout. If the offensive line does it's job LU's offense could be very good. My thing is that if the QB job is Brock's for the taking, who is gonna be behind him? We did have that kid from Hampton who hasn't taken a snap in his 2 years (Tavarus Dove) anybody else? |
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Post by PAmedic on Jan 8, 2006 21:31:53 GMT -5
I'm seeing Greiser at FB as a pretty likely scenario at this point. Wonder how that will sit.
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Post by flamesfan710 on Jan 8, 2006 22:15:10 GMT -5
If we had the people we could experiment with a flexbone formation
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Post by guestforever on Jan 9, 2006 8:44:00 GMT -5
Not sure about Grieser at fullback. I don't know if he has the size to play the position. He's not really built like a fullback. Coach Rocco will certainly have a lot of options for next year if everyone stays healthy.
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Post by PAmedic on Jan 9, 2006 9:03:53 GMT -5
yeah- he is a little small but the kid has talent and needs to be on the field. Maybe TE. Evidently we have a plethora (love that word) of RBs all the sudden
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Post by flamesfan710 on Jan 12, 2006 0:47:30 GMT -5
Still don't have an answer to my QB question
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Post by madmat79 on Jan 12, 2006 6:57:59 GMT -5
Update and clarification- running a pro style offense, predominantly a 2 back set, with strong run emphasis. Similar to UVA. Not the option of Hatfield. Seems to fit the personnel best.
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Post by PAmedic on Jan 12, 2006 10:22:49 GMT -5
ME LIKEY!
smash mouth football baby!
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Post by jimflamesfan on Jan 12, 2006 23:14:27 GMT -5
Well, there is the 5'11 or whatever freshman that completed an insane number of passes that we recruited...I imagine he would be the backup QB to Brock. Sounds like he has a lot of potential.
Or maybe we redshirt the freshman, and probably pick up a juco as a back-up??
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Post by flamesfan710 on Jan 13, 2006 12:08:24 GMT -5
So is Dove gonna transfer or you think Rocco will give him a chance? Or is he gonna move him to another position like they did Terrell?
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