Fire Karcher 2

[guest2]

Ok, now i agree, this loss may have been what it took to get Jerry to start the search. Pathetic.

[eddantes]

Coastal? These guys didn't even have a team when I was at Liberty... And I finished in May, 2003.

The consensus of this board is that we don't want to fire Karcher now, because it'll just force someone else (an assistant) to do double-duty, and we'll be paying Karcher anyway. We say that if this is the last year on his contract, then we let him walk, but by all means, we need to start the search for a new skipper now.

Hey guest - you might as well register - this topic will be discussed a loooooong time.

[jimflamesfan]

You know, I was at least somewhat impressed that Karcher seemed to be pulling out all the stops and making changes (two different QBs were in the game at Coastal) and bringing Barnes off of the redshirt. During my posts to the other Fire Karcher thread, I didn't know if I felt that he was giving 100 percent. I now belive that he is trying 100 percent, things just don't appear to be working out for him here.

Regarding the game,
LU's still committing way too many stupid penalties.

[Coastal89]

Gado- 29 yards rushing. LOL. Y'all aint nothing.

[eddantes]

Coastal89 - Do you know a good recipe for crow? Since the Flames fans have to eat crow for a little bit, I figure it should taste good...

JimFlamesFan - this is the way I see it. You un-redshirted Dre and Brock, destroying an extra year of eligibility. They hadn't played in a game in weeks (or in Farrell's case, months). Not only did we lose the game, but we're going to lose next year, as well - we could really have used a healthy Dre Barnes.

I've been Karcher's number one detractor on these boards, and I think that last night just proves my theories. Karcher has had FIVE years to put together a program, and he was beaten by a program that didn't exist when he got his job. Clearly, we have taken the wrong route!

Coastal needed half the time to start from nothing and become better than Liberty, who took five years to destroy a previously-mediocre franchise.

As soon as the final siren sounds at the end of the season, I want to see Falwell personally rip the clipboard out of Karcher's hands and tell him to hit the road.

[Sly Fox]

Pull the shirts off this late in the season is a clear sign of desperation. You don't make that move unless you have no healthy players left on the bench or you feel like it is time to win now at all costs. If he was going to pull the shirts off, he should have done it early in the season. That move had an even more profound impact on me regarding the coaching staff than the embarassing performance on the field.

While I continue to feel firing Coach Karcher in the midst of a season is not an option at all, I do feel the staff is proving they are not up to the challenge. And frankly, I hate making those type statements because I like the way the program is being run in many respects off the field. But the results are the results. You can not argue with scoreboard.

[jimflamesfan]

Endantes,

Looking at my other posts, you can see that I'm just about as much in favor of looking for a new coach as you.

I was just saying, I think Karcher sacrificing the redshirts and shaking things up was the right thing to try - from his point of view...especially if this is his last year on his contract, he might as well go out trying everything to win without leaving any cards on the table.

Now we know that even with trying everything, the football program is still in great trouble, and this is why it look like this thread is just going to keep on getting bigger.

[Steve Vandiver]

I agree with you all. Karcher has got to go. He has had more than enough time to build at least a respectable program and hasn't even come close. He can't even win in the lowly big south conference. That conference in my opinion isn't worthy of 1AA status. I'm sure there are good Christian coaches out there waiting for the opportunity.

[Sly Fox]

Steve thanks for coming over to this board. Make sure to go ahead and register. Its good to see a familiar poster on here.

And wow, you hit the nail on the head about the level of play in the Big South Conference. When a school in just its 2nd year of competition in the sport can come and knock people around it doesn't same much for the quality across the board. Sad.

[Jawz]

You guys are right, the quality (including Liberty) of the teams in the Big South are poor. That's why we're heading to the SoCon in '07...after we win the Big South Conference this year. ;D WOW you guys are horrible. 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6 33-6. SLY FOX, next time keep your mouth !

[Sly Fox]

I have no idea how to keep my mouth shut. That's why I am in the doghouse with my wife all the time. Besides, a little talk gives the game a little sizzle. ;D

And there is no answer for scoreboard. Congrats.

As for the Southern Conference, if that is as high as you want to dream you will be easily satisfied in life.

Back to the subject at hand, it appears Ron Zook is available. HE's no Dan Reeves but he does have name recognition (all bad at the moment) ...

[rokamortis]

Who said the SoCon was our highest desire? We have to take things gradually!!!

[Stevev]

I see a couple of things with Karcher.

1. He puts too much emphasise on winning the Big South conference. It seems that is all he cares about. Then how about everyone else on the schedule. The Big south is the lowest of the low as far as football conferences go. Even lower than division 2.

2. He puts too much emphasise on individual achievement and not the team. He goes on and on to say that the running backs he has are the best in 1AA. My question is how about the team. Individual achievement is good but somewhat meaningless unless the team can have some reasonable success. And I don't find sucess in beating the Norfolk states and the Charleston Southerns of the world.

[Sly Fox]

Steve, I'm guessing the reason Coach Karcher is putting so much emphasis on winning the Big South is that at this point for the program, the level of play has slipped so far that winning the Big South has become an achievement. If you don't think you can hang with the non-conference opponents on your schedule, you build the league matchups up to give yourself an opportunity for fulfillment.

And a similar theory applies to the individual acclaim. When you don't have great team victories, you try to accentuate whatever positives you can find.

Finding positives the past couple of seasons has been difficult.

All that said, I am neither a clinical psychologist nor a team insider. Just a very frustrated alum.

[Stevev]

I saw that on LU's web page that they are breaking ground for a football operations center to be completed in fall of 2005. Karcher is going to be there with Dr. Falwell. What do you think. I guess they have the theory "If you build it they will come" kind of thinking. I'm not sure what to think. I don't think that this will be the answer. They still have the same lousy coach and conference setup. I think that it all starts with leadership and that is what need's to change. I think that LU's facilities are okay even without the new building.

[Sly Fox]

Look at it this way, Steve. Anything the school can do to make it an attractive situation for potential coaching replacements is a good thing. ;D

Seriously, I'm glad some alum or kind heart is giving some jack to the athletic department despite our current woes. But I wouldn't read much into the fact that Karcher is there at the groundbreaking with Jerry. He's probably using the opportunity to plead his case to stick around.