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Post by Sly Fox on Dec 6, 2004 16:04:03 GMT -5
Perhaps Pearl Harbor Day will mark the Flames' first victory over a Division I school this season. But based on their most recent performance of escaping in OT at home to a non-scholarship school, I am far from brimming with confidence. But there is no time like the present at home to start turning things around.
What is up with the 8:30pm tipoff? Doesn't that seem a little late?
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Post by gest2b on Dec 6, 2004 17:35:17 GMT -5
ODU 93 LU 65
I was planning to attend Miami OH game on the way home for Christmas...I'm questioning that now...but then again woodson should be back as long as he passed this semester. I heard he failed Lovett. Thats half a surprise.
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Post by LUconn on Dec 7, 2004 7:54:47 GMT -5
The late tip is because it's the 2nd in the double header i think.
Interesting tidbits:
ODU recently beat VMI 86-38. While VMI's not a BBall powerhouse they recently beat VaTech.
ODU smoked us last year when we were good 87-66. I think this might have been the game where the other team hit like 15 3 pointers or some crazy number like that.
They're ranked 11th in the collegesports mid-major poll, which is ahead of our very own Wintrhop who recently beat Providence.
Maybe this is the game where the boys finally get it together and play up to their potential. I doubt it though, we lose 83-60
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Post by Sly Fox on Dec 8, 2004 9:33:23 GMT -5
What a second half collapse! After catching a halftime score, I was pleased to see the team doing so well against a team we figured would waltz over us. But then I was stunned to see the final score. It sounds like Blair had a good night shooting but he didn't get any help.
We'll have to wait yet another night for this team to turn the corner.
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Post by LUconn on Dec 8, 2004 13:40:35 GMT -5
Yeah we were in this one until about the 10 minute mark of the 2nd half. Blair needed a breather and it just went from there. Glyn Turner is back for some reason. He didn't look to good, but considereing it was his 1st game, I can't complain. They looked pretty good tonight and I think they'll compete in the Big South after all. Woodson comes back after the NCST game apparently so we'll have a PG once again and Risher can be a 2 like he should.
We have the same refs every game in the vinescenter. They are not good. I think they hate us. Possibly because we're yelling horrible things at them but they deserve it. I almost ripped out my hair in frustration of their inconsistancy.
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Post by jimflamesfan on Dec 8, 2004 20:40:35 GMT -5
I was really happy to see Turner back. I think what happened was he had to appeal to the NCAA to be able to play, because he played 1 game at some jr. college somewhere, so they weren't sure if he would be eligible this year...so actually he's a 5th year senior now...I guess it took a while for his appeal. I think once turner gets in the groove, we may have to go more with him at center. When does Woodson get back? If Woodson gets back soon and now we have Turner, at least it looks if we can turn it around we'll be competitive in the Big South...problem is terrible road swing comming... P.S. I painted my hair red, so although I wanted to pull it out as well, I had to refrain to avoid getting dye on my hands.
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Post by Sly Fox on Dec 8, 2004 23:56:15 GMT -5
We just need to hang in there until we can get back to full strength in the lineup. Hopefully some of these newbies are taking advantage of the PT now while it lasts.
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Post by aLUmnus on Dec 11, 2004 14:14:57 GMT -5
Playing time is about all they're getting, because I don't see any benefits from the coaching. Do these guys practice? It seems like they're out there playing streetball every night. I don't want to blast Dunton's coaching ability, but what kind of coaching staff does he have, and do they have anything to teach? Most of our players have athletic ability, but no basketball knowledge whatsoever.
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Post by jimflamesfan on Dec 11, 2004 15:38:25 GMT -5
As far as Dunton,
I think he deserves a lot of slack here. He took a program that was dead last (what was it 324 out of 324 in RPI), the whole way to a NCAA bid in just 2 years.
In the past two years, LU has seem to win a bunch of close games...I think the coaching staff does alright...to me it seems that LU's problem this year is we don't have a dominant center (we don't even have Sarchet or Martin to score in close), so we always end up relying on jumpers.
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Post by LUconn on Dec 13, 2004 12:09:24 GMT -5
. I don't want to blast Dunton's coaching ability, but what kind of coaching staff does he have, and do they have anything to teach? Most of our players have athletic ability, but no basketball knowledge whatsoever. EUREKA! Someone who thinks exactly like me. I think Dunton has got to be one of the best recruiters going. Getting Gabe Martin/Larry Blair type players to come here is quite an accomplishements. But when you've got a guy shooting 90% on the year playing good defense, you've got to wonder why he plays only 5-10 minutes a game (Russell Monroe). I've never really been a fan of the way Dunton has run the show come game time in general. It seems like low-major conferences such as ours, teams can get athletic guys all day long. But the ones with smarts go to top 25 schools. And that's where I think LB should be playing today, because he knows the game pretty well. For those who remember Rob Attaway, he was probably the player with the most basketball smarts we've had in the last 6 years. Too bad he didn't have the skill or athleticism to back it up.
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Post by Sly Fox on Dec 13, 2004 16:03:26 GMT -5
Let me make this as clear as possible. In measuring the balance between recruiting and game day coaching, I'll take the skilled recruiter all day long if given the choice.
If a coach has the skill to find the diamond in the rough or talk a kid who could go to a higher profile program into coming to his school, he is positioning his school for success to a much greater degeree than the coach who gets the usual suspects and then gets the most out of them.
Obviously, the ideal coach possesses both skills. But it is an EXTREMELY rare coach that has the whole package. Sometimes, a coach possesses enough tactical skill to attract higher calibre athletes. But generally, snake oil is as good of a talent to possess as the ability break down a zone on an eraserboard.
Just my two cents worth.
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Post by Guest on Dec 14, 2004 10:51:26 GMT -5
Mel Hankinson was a great recruiter, but just a terrible coach. If you could combine the two you would get one hell of a coach. Someone posted Jason Sarchet was a Dunton recruit, wrong Hank brought him in from Indian Hills JC. Someone also posted a while back that Emeka Okafor and Patrick Okafor were brother's that isn't true. Patrick and I are really good friends we went on a couple of recruiting trips together: Blinn JC, Trinity Valley, and Baytown Lee where he eventually signed. I do agree he didn't have as productive a career than some would have hoped but he was solid. Did you know he actually gave LU and Dunton a verbal, until Hank got the job. He made a great choice.
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Post by LUconn on Dec 14, 2004 12:14:05 GMT -5
I don't know where you read that someone said they are brothers. But it doesn't really matter anyway, it's beside the point. A former player, eh? Mind telling us who? Rob Attaway? I'll figure it out.
By the way, why dont you register and stay a while. You've made this message board a whole lot more interesting. Most of the time it's me and Sly Fox talking to eachother.
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Post by Guest on Dec 14, 2004 13:56:53 GMT -5
No, I'm not Rob 'I can't throw a rock in the ocean' Attaway that guy was a peice of work just talked to Phil Ward about that guy the other day. I would love to join the board. Someone posted Patrick and Emeka being brothers on another page not this one. I'm going to join if we can interact more frequently.
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Post by Guest on Dec 14, 2004 14:05:37 GMT -5
The registration page tells me that an error has occured and will not let me register a new account. I will try again.
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Post by Former player on Dec 14, 2004 14:14:11 GMT -5
I'm in!
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Post by LUconn on Dec 14, 2004 15:53:31 GMT -5
ok, you're a former player, and most likely still at school if you're still in contact with Phil Ward. You know of attaway so that eliminates gabe martin and Mantlo. You've got to be from Texas, probably the Houston area. I can't find an old roster with hometowns on it. So your identity is safe for now. But I'll figure it out eventually. You seem old school so how worthless were Beeler and Eisentrout? Did Mel ruin their lives or were they really that bad?
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Post by gest2b on Dec 14, 2004 17:52:09 GMT -5
el Canada el canada . . .
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Post by Sly Fox on Dec 14, 2004 20:46:25 GMT -5
I was the one who made the mistaken comment that Patrick & Emeka were brothers. May bad.
Viva Willowridge! Its good to know there was a point guard pre-TJ.
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Post by gest2b on Dec 14, 2004 22:17:47 GMT -5
This stuff about Dunton not being a good game coach is just smoke in mirrors and hocus pocus.
Who would have thought that we would have been most successful last year playing with 3 guys under 6'2 for half the game? And a 4 man at what..6'6? I thought Dunton was an idiot early on, but I'm almost certain that he has proven me wrong. He will definately have the right guys on the court once we get into big south play (if not already).
Actually I did have beef with Dunton that was never resolved regarding one player. Harry Williams. Why was he on the court 2 years ago? The guy was ok on D, but he killed the offense. Slowed it down way too much.
And what was that kid from NY who stole laptops 2 years ago. I questioned him too but Dunton benched him after a while and just used him in special defensive situations.
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Post by Formerplayer on Dec 15, 2004 9:19:44 GMT -5
I talked to Phil on the phone. Travis Eisentrout and Torin Beeler those are names I haven't heard in a while. Travis was an above average shooter, but Mel had him playing too many minutes with the ball in his hands way too much, if he would have ran set plays for Travis coming off of screens then Trav and Mel would have been better off. Torin couldn't make a free throw or a jump shoot to save his life, but he was a tough defender. Harry Williams is a Houston guy but he has never really impressed me in high school or in college. His basketball career is over at LU, but not because of what was printed on the LU web site-a season ending hip injury yeah right. That guy you were talking about from NY, came from Mount Zion Christian Academy (T-Mac) his name is Norman Simmons he was an average player but his mentality and his mouth got him ran out of town. Last I heard he went to Blinn JC in TX, but don't think it panned out. I did see him on a street ball dvd over the summer lol.
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Post by Formerplayer on Dec 15, 2004 9:25:55 GMT -5
There were many pg's and players at Willowridge before TJ. TJ was a really good player with a great team: Daniel Ewing;Duke, Ivan McFarlin;Oklahoma State, Kenny Taylor;Texas, Jerome Bell Texas Southern, Corey Jackson; Alcorn State. And a great coach: Ronnie Courtney; Head Coach- Texas Southern. Those are some really solid peices.
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Post by LUconn on Dec 15, 2004 10:07:27 GMT -5
Holy crap, Norman. I have a hard time believing that he was average. He didn't play much, and rightfully so. I think he shot like 9% on the year. He looked like a freaking monkey on defense. I was in a class with him too. Man, what a retard. Always saying dumb things. Acting like he was some superstar above the rules. Whenever he got in our whole section used to heckle him. I was very happy the day he stole that computer.
Are you saying Harry was gone because he just isn't very good? He was our defensive specialist 2 years ago, though his offense was a bit of a liability. But all in all I'll remember him as the guy who hit that last second shot to win the game. (I think against radford?)
Are you J.R. perhaps?
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Post by Formerplayer on Dec 15, 2004 10:26:37 GMT -5
Yeah Norman did say some crazy things but he was a funny guy. He did play hard though you have to give him that. He stole a couple of PS 2's also. No not saying Harry isn't very good. Let's just say he wasn't happy with his playing time or lack of. The game he hit that shot was against UNC-A. No I'm not JR he's actually at Southern University in Baton Rouge, LA. If you go to their espn web site you will actually see that he played in the first game but I don't know what happen after that, his real name Nathaniel Nicholas # 35. He had potential to be a really good player for LU, but he and Dunton didn't see eye to eye. Dunton wanted him to attend class, and JR didn't want to, go figure lol. He's a good guy though.
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Post by Sly Fox on Dec 15, 2004 22:38:11 GMT -5
Formerplayer --- Are you still on campus or are you back here in the Bayou City?
I know all about the 'Ridge and its success before that district got split up with Hightower. (Can you believe Greg Wise is selling insurance now?)
I was just dropping the Willowridge reference to smoke your identity out. But you slyly didn't bite.
As for Norman Simmons, what name was he using on the streetball DVD?
And I can't help but laugh whenever I hear Blinn mentioned. Most of the posters on this board don't realize what a spot in the road Brenham, Texas really is. Outside of being the hometown of Blue Bell Ice Cream, it is a podunk town. Not exactly what most hoopsters who make a pitstop there are accustomed to.
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Post by Formerplayer on Dec 16, 2004 8:16:57 GMT -5
You saw that huh? Norman wasn't playing on the DVD he was being Norman making a lot of noise yelling and carrying on. I'm not on campus I've been graduated for a little bit. You are kidding about Coach Wise selling insurance, no way lol. What happen to him at Hightower? I remember he led them to the state semis in Austin, but wow selling insurance. He is a really nice guy though. Blinn is definitely a different place I almost went there to play for Coach Joe Curl, then Sperlin took over and he was recruiting me to Sam Houston before he took over for Curl so we had a relationship, and I was a few bible classes away from transferring from LU to Blinn. None of the bible classes would transfer.
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Post by Sly Fox on Dec 16, 2004 21:53:21 GMT -5
Coach Wise was involved in a MASSIVE hoops soap opera the past year or so. After taking Hightower to the 5A state semis in back to back years, he got into it with the school principal. He wound up quitting despite just having a house built around the corner from the school so his son Nic could play for him.
After being courted by a number of schools, he wound up moving to Kingwood where his Arizona commit son is now playing for a third public school (in 3 districts) in three years. By the time the dust had cleared, Greg apparently decided to lay low for a year and is now selling insurance for the time being. He's an awesome coach that will wind up somewhere for some nice jack. But the timing just wan't there for him.
Coach Curl ... that brings back some memories. He was a fun coach to cover.
Coach Leary (who I went to school wiyth at LU back in the day) has been working his ties down here pretty hard to keep the Bayou City representin' in Lynchburg. Elijah should carry on the tradition nicely after being caught in a bad situation at UH under Coach McCallum.
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Post by PAmedic on Dec 16, 2004 22:02:10 GMT -5
are the rest of us sopposed to have a CLUE what you two are talking about? LOL
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Post by PAmedic on Dec 16, 2004 22:03:09 GMT -5
"supposed" can't spell this late at night!
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Post by Sly Fox on Dec 17, 2004 0:29:06 GMT -5
You'll have to ignore a couple Houstonians talking hoops.
Keep in mind, this is an Old Dominion thread. That should tell you this discussion is not exactly intended to be a hot topic.
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