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Post by SCAR on Sept 13, 2005 8:52:23 GMT -5
If you want to be technical, Rick Reeves won 3 titles before Green got here but I would say that Green has taken the program 5 levels higher. He has done a great job better than anyone could expect from a school so young...Season starts Nov 18th at UVA in Charlottesville and first home game is Nov 21 vs Cincinatti Christian which I think is a class 3A high school in Ohio (just kidding). You guys need to get the Liberty Channel on Sky Angel network so you can check us out on all the home games. Ray Jones will be the Play by Play man and I will be the color commentator for the 3rd straight year. Also this season the games will be shown on tape delay on iLifeTV. Had to get that commercial in. Sly I know you are the moderator but don't censor my advertising :-). I told you I need a publicist!****Oh yeah, Carey Green's team plays on the Liberty Channel (Flames Television Network) as well but I don't get to do color for them (except on Radio from time to time with givemethemic). GRM had a chance to check out a telecast during the Big South Championship year and he was entertained so much that he didn't even know it was me calling the game. Now there's a positive endorsement if ever I heard one. FSN 32 will be on the air too btw for the women's games. He does a great job too.
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Post by a ball fan on Sept 13, 2005 12:38:30 GMT -5
Ray ain't all that on television
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Post by Sly Fox on Sept 13, 2005 14:20:12 GMT -5
I know its dificult to spell, but my hometown is Cincinnati. We were the ones with the winning NFL team yesterday ... unlike a certain city across the river from South Jersey.
As for the self-promotion, its all good as long as you don't try hawking your picks against the spread.
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Post by Sly Fox on Sept 14, 2005 23:10:54 GMT -5
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Post by PAmedic on Sept 15, 2005 6:58:17 GMT -5
The best quote in the article is "Liberty did an excellent job in the recruiting process."
that may be the first time I've EVER heard that.
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Post by SCAR on Sept 15, 2005 7:52:10 GMT -5
actually, Liberty has stolen a few players over the years in hoops. Our own GOAT, Chris Caldwell, Marcus White and others were recruited by big schools but chose Liberty. Larry Blair, David Dees had many choices too from what I understand. There are many more examples in men's hoops and I am sure women's hoops. Probably football too. Sounds like our friend from Hershey Brock Smith had some serious choices but I can't really speak to that.
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Post by PAmedic on Sept 15, 2005 8:06:35 GMT -5
I hear that kid Greiser had a few options as well!
(couldn't resist)
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Post by WinthropEagleFan on Sept 15, 2005 8:18:24 GMT -5
actually, Liberty has stolen a few players over the years in hoops. Our own GOAT, Chris Caldwell, Marcus White and others were recruited by big schools but chose Liberty. Larry Blair, David Dees had many choices too from what I understand. There are many more examples in men's hoops and I am sure women's hoops. Probably football too. Sounds like our friend from Hershey Brock Smith had some serious choices but I can't really speak to that. It didn't pan out, but Monceaux was also considered a steal at the time... |
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Post by PAmedic on Sept 15, 2005 8:20:27 GMT -5
it could be argued that we have a way of squandering talent- and not just in MBB.
@9,000 kids on campus now and we can't field competetive teams? Come'on now. We need to expect more.
The attitude has always been, "hey, its ONLY sports" and to an extent, thats true- but we should also strive to be the BEST in everything we do- otherwise, why bother?
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Post by grm on Sept 15, 2005 9:04:20 GMT -5
Just returned to my office after being away from the site for the better part of three days.
Yes, SCAR is a great color man; and how nice to see what is being observed on the Ricky front. Monceaux was a good guy who played hard, and had the guts to take a big shot in the final seconds of that Big South Game (2003 semis?) that almost went in and would have won it. He could take it to the hoop, but at this level you have to be VERY good to e good.
End of my return musings.
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Post by grm on Sept 15, 2005 9:05:06 GMT -5
Add "b"
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Post by Chris Lang on Sept 15, 2005 9:41:10 GMT -5
Sly, I can only hope the mistake didn't make it into the print edition.  |
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Post by SCAR on Sept 15, 2005 9:43:15 GMT -5
WEF,
was that a shot at Monceaux? Hard to tell sentiment on a message board sometimes (unless you use the hated/loved smiley faces). Jeremy was 3rd generation in terms of kids with too high of expectations due to their prolific scoring in high school. The first was my old Teammate, Steve Farqhuar. Steve averaged 49 points as a guard at Calvary Baptist in South Jersey. Playing division 1 and injuries brought those numbers down to about 5 or 6 points a game. Anyone that has played college basketball will tell you that it is difficult to keep a scoring average in double figures let alone up to your high school numbers. Teams just don't let you do what you did in high school...The second was Eric Pothoven. A smallish 2 guard from Iowa that was Mr. Basketball in the state which has produced many Big Ten greats. Pothoven didn't play much at Liberty at all and was a little over matched at times athletically for this level of play. I consider both Pothoven and Farqhuar good players but they will never be considered that by Liberty or Big South folks. Jeremy had the same plight but didn't finish at LU like his predecessors. Jeremy also had ridiculous scoring numbers. He scored 6000 plus points in 5 years of high school ball. Yes he played varsity in the 8th grade at his Christian school in Alabama. I believe he was POY in his state as well. So expecations were a bit unrealistic when he came to LU but I will tell you this. He had some good games his Freshman year during the transition into the second Dunton era. He flat out won some games. When Blair came to Liberty though that might have been the beginning of the end for Monceaux. I wish him well though.
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Post by WinthropEagleFan on Sept 15, 2005 9:56:54 GMT -5
I've taken some shots at him in the past, but not this time...His injury before his senior year of HS dropped his stock a bit, but there were bigger schools looking at him...many people considered it a steal for LU.
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Post by Sly Fox on Sept 15, 2005 10:12:28 GMT -5
It certainly wasn't heard much during the time Scar was Recruiting Czar. ;D
Another name for old schoolers who was somewhat of a coup for the school to bring in was 'Fish' Harrison. He was the top player in Tennessee coming out of high school and he passed up a slew of bigtime offers to come to Liberty. He didn't stay long before transferring. But considering we were a DII school at the time, he was a considered quite the steal. Scar may be the only other one on the board to remember much about him besides me.
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Post by PAmedic on Sept 15, 2005 10:15:08 GMT -5
If he's the guy I'm thinking of (Fish), I saw him for a year or so (88-89?) but I may be confusing him w/ Farqhuar.
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Post by SCAR on Sept 15, 2005 10:57:48 GMT -5
OK, Farqhuar was white, Fish was black. People confused me with Farqhuar too sometimes even though we have the same racial discrepancy as he and Fish. Yes I remember Fish well. He was a 6-5 post player that could jump out of the gym. He and G (Gerald Thomas) transferred to Masters my soph year. It was wierd for me talking to my teammates about how they were recruited and how many schools wanted them etc. because I wasn't recruited by anyone in Division 1 period. My experience was so different than most division 1 players which is why I really cherished the opportunity (still do actually). The night Fish knew he was transferring he took about 20 shots vs VA Union. I don't think he passed the ball once except back to the ref for a timeout. I think Steph (Leary) and me were the only ones who knew they were leaving. The coaches were in total shock if I remember correctly. Fish was really good though.
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Post by Sly Fox on Sept 15, 2005 11:08:08 GMT -5
I don't remember Fish sending the rock back out of the post in ANY game.  I had G in a bunch of classes and he was more highly recruited as QB than a power forward. He was a real good guy that seemed to keep Fish on the straight & narrow. Come on, Scar. I thought you'd bite on that remark about the Czar. You disappoint me, man. |
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Post by SCAR on Sept 15, 2005 12:47:24 GMT -5
That one got past the goal keeper. Yea I see where you said that...Truth is I didn't have the fortune of being a recruiter. When I was the 3rd assistant at LU my position nationally was not aloud to recruit. The NCAA has changed that since. I could call and of course coordinate the visits but nothing on the road. Don't worry Sly, there will be plenty of opportunities for you to insult me in other topics :-). But Medic will snap right back at you with a crazy Texan remark which I will co-sign on.
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Post by PAmedic on Sept 15, 2005 18:19:11 GMT -5
I got your back brotha. And for some reason I just mixed those guys up all the time. Shows how much attention I paid. For the record- it was Farqhuar I was thinking about.
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Post by Sly Fox on Oct 12, 2005 15:12:13 GMT -5
Its official ... he's pulled his verbal commitment.
Say what?
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Post by PAmedic on Oct 13, 2005 3:26:56 GMT -5
OUCH. that certainly doesn't sound right. Misunderstanding of LU's position, perhaps? I highly doubt we are going around outright lying to people.
SCAR, any info?
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Post by PAmedic on Oct 13, 2005 3:28:02 GMT -5
And why does Eli Manning's family come to mind here?
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Post by guest on Oct 13, 2005 21:06:40 GMT -5
How many examples do you "fanatics" need to at least consider the question of integrity within the leadership structure of this program? I am humored with the blinded defense that a misguided few continually make on this board. Coaches Leary and Davis did not just wake up and decide it was time to look for another coaching job. There have been and evidently continue to be a series of "misrepresentations" which reflect poorly on the values and standards of Liberty. I am curious as to the flavor of kool aid now being served in the Vines Center?  |
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Post by Sly Fox on Oct 13, 2005 21:16:44 GMT -5
Yum ... cherry kool-aid.
Seriously, having done some research myself on this sitiuation in Canton I believe the "misrepresentation" was simply a misunderstanding.
Bottom line, I wouldn't worry about Ricky anymore. Its too bad because he was a great talent.
As for Stephon, am I to assume if things were ultra-harmonious he would have passed on the opportunity for a head coaching gig at a school stepping up to DI? OK. He made a terrific move. End of story. Was there any friction among the coaching staff? Probably. Name me one staff in America with ambitious & talented guys that don't have some personality clashes along the way.
PS - You continue to lose credibility when you don't register.
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Post by PAmedic on Oct 13, 2005 21:29:11 GMT -5
If I had to guess- I'd say its common for a parent to assume a school will bend over backward or make concessions for their young "superstar". When this doesn't happen, they start with the blame game and stomp off w/ their marbles.
Do I have proof that's what occured here? Nope- but neither does our esteemed "guest" with regard to his accusation about Coach D's character, and at least I REGISTERED!
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Post by littlepeople on Oct 14, 2005 4:08:13 GMT -5
Once again the uninformed and highly political land on the scene to spew their negative spin
in an attempt to foster division. Actually what Coach Dunton demonstrated the upmost in integrity.
[*** Edited to Keep the Best Interests of Ricky & the School in Mind ***]
Most of us do not experience the intense competition that is demanded with in the NCAA ranks I admire a man who will act on what is best for both parties even though it is not the easy route. The kool aid in the Vines Center apears to be unity and commitment. Encourage Coach, the staff and players to keep up the good work.
Moderator Note -- While what littlepeople wrote matches up with what I learned by doing some sniffig around Ohio on my own, I don't think its necessary to repeat these facts in a public forum. - Sly Fox
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Post by grm on Oct 14, 2005 7:30:10 GMT -5
With our esteemed guests launching rocks at us over the barricades, and meanwhile hoping that we don't nuke them in return, it almost becomes amusing. So let us "fanatics" continue believing in a man we know to be true and honest, and you "unnamed" keep whining about the past, and the guys who left. "littlepeople" threw out more information than should be needed, and there is a young player who does not deserve to be shamed in any way. Listen to what SLY said. It's going to be a great season!
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Post by HoldMyOwn on Dec 3, 2005 23:15:19 GMT -5
I know it's old news but i just wanted to clear up this whole Ricky Jackson deal....LU was the one to pull his Verbal due to his a Learning Disability that was discovered to late to try and get special consideration
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Post by Sly Fox on Dec 4, 2005 1:43:42 GMT -5
That was the unspoken word we were adhering to here on the board after we did some investigating in Ohio. Hopefully he is able to get the help he needs in order to get a great college education somewhere.
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