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Post by thesportscritic on Nov 1, 2005 13:34:11 GMT -5
We were able to watch some highlights of the Gardner Webb game. The offensive line was better but still made some mistakes. They did a decent of protecting Brock Smith. He had all day to throw the football. He mentioned that Brock Smith did some good things and Karcher didn't expect Smith to play well to begin with. (His words) He basically said that he is teaching the game of life through losing. He really didn't mention mistakes that we made that cost us to lose the game and the last 6 or 7 games straight. Good teams find ways to win. Bad teams find ways to lose. (My opinion) Karcher is still about life's lessons through losing and making plenty of mistakes based off of his comments today at the meeting. I know of several coaches that can teach life's lessons and have winning programs and I am sure a lot of you on this board know of some coaches too. Really not encouraged by any stretch based on his comments.
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Post by Sly Fox on Nov 1, 2005 14:53:20 GMT -5
Thanks for the report. I wish I could be there myself. But alas ...
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Post by eddantes on Nov 1, 2005 18:17:24 GMT -5
I'm tired of this defeatist attitude -- teaching kids about life through losing. This was the same bull-crap that I was forced to print when we were mired in a 2-9 season under Karcher's watch -- how one of our players would remember how he held his head high long after his football career ended.
Okay, but that's not the point. Football is entertainment, not life. I watch football to be entertained. I go to church to get life lessons.
Is it Christian to learn through losing? Has Karcher never heard of Joel Osteen (I know Sly has)? Life is supposed to be great, not a kick in the face with a steel-toed boot every Saturday.
If we're talking about life lessons, how about this one: There are some situations where it is okay to quit. Even the Bible says that there are outs of marriage (1 Cor. 7:15). This "never surrender, head held high" notion is wrong.
Likewise, Liberty football has a significant black eye of losing, delivered by this coach. The right thing would be to get out of that contract, before more he can inflict more losses.
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I love life, even though I'm months removed from dealing with an issue in my personal life that practically flattened me. I know that God is in charge, and in every aspect of my life I can see that played out. The weather is nice out, I have a great job and a beautiful cat. Life is great. It's a shame that Ken Karcher's ineptitude with a clipboard has showed the kids the darker aspect of it.
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Post by bigsmooth on Nov 1, 2005 18:34:14 GMT -5
ed, i hear what you are saying and i agree with much of what you say, but calling karcher a "dead beat" is clearly not the way a christian should handle this situation. i too am guilty of throwing names out at people at times, but i think we all know that karcher is not a very good coach, and hopefully the administration will do the right thing. Our kids deserve better, our school deserves better, and all of here at the firehouse deserve better. Ed, you always bring thought provoking commentary and i appreciate it!
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Post by Sly Fox on Nov 1, 2005 19:09:18 GMT -5
Ed brings the passion once again. I'm with you bnrother on rebounding from unforeseen life challenges.
While your heartfelt analogy regarding the abusive brother-in-law hit very close to home for me, I think it might be a little over the top. I understand what you're saying.
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Post by eddantes on Nov 1, 2005 20:39:05 GMT -5
If my words rubbed anyone the wrong way, I'm sorry. Karcher is not as abhorrent as an abuser, one of the lowest life-forms of all. I'm sure, actually, that he is a fine Christian man.
My point, before I got carried away, is that there are situations where it is best to get out of a bad situation. Teaching people to never give up and never quit seems to me like he's teaching himself that more than the players, and I think that it's a poor lesson to be teaching.
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Post by Sly Fox on Nov 2, 2005 0:56:06 GMT -5
I think we all knew exactly what you meant, Ed. But sometimes when we're typing in the heat of the moment we let things get a little too colorful. Your overall points are extremely valid.
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Post by eddantes on Nov 2, 2005 6:51:30 GMT -5
The post has been respectfully modified.
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Post by LUconn on Nov 2, 2005 9:10:40 GMT -5
Give that man a 10 year extention!
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Post by SCAR on Nov 2, 2005 10:24:48 GMT -5
We have all faced challenges in life. I know I have the past few years. I had a great career as a Project Manager drastically shift geers post Sept 11. I have not worked full time since. I took a management buyout at AT&T late 2001 and have done contract work and television work ever since. The Lord has been very good to me and I am not complaining at all. I would say just being in America and living the way most of us on this board live makes us more fortunate than 80% of the world. I am blessed to work in the television industry (a life-long dream), have a great wife, house etc. despite the uncertainty of everything. Those of you who have ever worked as a contractor know that you can be asked to leave any given day despite what length you sign the contract for...Karcher is a great guy and really is a fine example of how to walk the Christian life and face adversity. He has been consistant in his dealing with his players in my opinion. He tries to teach lessons no matter the situation. The unfortunate part is that the situation has been dire for quite some time so it is rubbing some the wrong way and making them think that he is ok with losing. I don't think that is the case but it seems to be the perception. I have met Ken a few times but I don't claim to know him like I know Randy Dunton or Jeff Alder or some of the other coaches but he seems like a great guy to me. I wish him well and if he is the coach here next year, we have to support him like it or not. IMO I don't think he will be here with the record this season but who knows.
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Post by Sly Fox on Nov 2, 2005 13:35:06 GMT -5
Way to keep it all in perspective. I don't think anyone on here wishes Coach Karcher anything but good will. Its just that many believe he is not the right man for the job he currently holds.
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Post by grm on Nov 2, 2005 14:28:17 GMT -5
Intresting reading. It's always enlightening to get the perspective of the board members. At D-1, coaches are paid to run successful (winning) programs. Oh yes, we've probably all had a few "challenges" in life (kind of like the doctor asking if we are feeling any "discomfort.")
We might call it "pain."
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Post by PAmedic on Nov 3, 2005 7:08:28 GMT -5
ED the only thing that bothered me about your whole post was the "beautiful cat" reference. Think pit bull.
Seriously, the abusive thing affects many of us- we're all with ya here bro
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