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Post by El Scorcho on Nov 21, 2005 0:38:32 GMT -5
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Post by Stevev on Nov 21, 2005 7:26:42 GMT -5
A great article which I agree with 100%. Getting Lou Holtz might be a mistake although I think that he would do better than Sam R. and get the program to a competitive level but a better choice would be Skip Holtz (wherever he might be). Could use his dad for advice on running the program and would be a perfect relationship as to include Lou in an indirect way. Successful college coach's sons usually end up being successes themselves (look at the Bowdens). Maybe Lou could be AD and help on the financial and administrative side. I also agree with his position on the Big South. I think LU is wasting there time in that low-end conference and could be the biggest obsticle in the way of Jerry's overall plan and could explain our low attendence at games. I can definately see it but unfortunately most people that are on this board are ignorant to that fact. I would rather see LU as an independent, schedule quality 1AA teams like UR, JMU, W&M than to join some low-end conference just so they can say they belong to a "conference".
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Post by HarrisburgFlame on Nov 21, 2005 8:25:15 GMT -5
He's still a moron. he was a moron when I lived in Lynchburg and the beat goes on. I disagree completely on the whole dig at the BSC. LU needs a conference for football - period. It's VERY difficult to get games. He thinks the schedule is bad now - imagine some of the teams we'd be playing if we had 4 additional dates to fill! Bottom line on Richmond and JMU - they aren't lined up to play LU - they don't need us like we need them. I would like to play a Virginia round robin BIG 5 every year with VMI, JMU, UR, W&M, and LU - but it's not going to happen. LU dropping out of the BSC wouldn't not incentivize UR or JMU to jump at the chance to play us.
His points on Lou - I'll give him. His points on why LU has not endeared itself to the region are off base. I think the overall problem is MUCH bigger than our football schedule - but that's another story.
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Post by PAmedic on Nov 21, 2005 8:50:48 GMT -5
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Post by PAmedic on Nov 21, 2005 8:57:36 GMT -5
actually, the beginning of his story reminded me of the "old N&A" (pre-CHRIS days), but Mr. Laurant came around at the end. (quote to follow)
the arguments he made in the heart of this piece- as well as the thoughts on the selection process of our new coach- could have been copied word for word off this board. Nothing new or deep there.
but he did recognize the changes at LU and I appreciated that. "there's... room for Liberty" is a HUGE admission- no one even admitted we were in EXISTENCE back in my day.
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Post by ATrain on Nov 21, 2005 10:02:30 GMT -5
Well...I do agree that names like W&M, VMI, Richmond and JMU are likely to draw larger crowds over Coastal Carolina (sorry Coastal fans on this board, but I'm sure ya'll can say the same about us when we come down there), Charleston-Southern and Gardner-Webb. But he overlooks the fact that the Big South did give us a good local rival in VMI. I do agree that we need to start trying to schedule more in-state teams, and with a new coach we might actually be able to compete against them...I for one would love to see an OOC schedule with W&M, Richmond, JMU, Hampton, and Norfolk State...maybe even invite NC A&T b/c I'm sure fans down there in Greensboro will make a trip up here, just like High Point fans tend to travel to games with us in BBall (both men's and women's) and even VBall. I know it'll be hard to get a schedule like that, but I think eventually we could get it (say maybe 2010).
One other thing-we all see major changes coming to the I-AA football conferences in a few years, with the whole MEAC/SWAC "HBCU National Champion" mess and ODU adding football, we'll just have to see where the chips fall.
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Post by bigsmooth on Nov 21, 2005 19:01:49 GMT -5
laurant is a tool, but had some valid points. true, to play other schools with more name value will hep, but i tell you winning cures everything. if we build a consistent winner, there is no reason why we can't grab a small piece of the pie from central virginia and fill up williams.
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Post by rokamortis on Nov 21, 2005 19:06:22 GMT -5
I just find the argument 'we are too good for a conference that we finished dead last in and have never won the championship' a tad idiotic.
I'm still hoping we band together to make the conference stronger - there is no reason why we can't, look at the Great West.
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Post by HarrisburgFlame on Nov 21, 2005 19:46:42 GMT -5
rok:
I totally agree with you. The BigSouth was our ONLY conference option for football. Time to stop griping about it and win some games to earn the conference some respect.
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Post by Sly Fox on Nov 21, 2005 21:07:45 GMT -5
Rok - For the record, this hack who wrote the article in no way represents the school in any fashion.
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Post by ATrain on Nov 21, 2005 21:57:57 GMT -5
Well as far as conference affiliation goes, everything is tentative...I too would like us to band together with Coastal, GWU, CSU, and VMI to make a stronger Big South, with an OOC involving mostly in-state teams or teams not too far away. But we must also consider other things:
If the MEAC joins with the SWAC for an HBCU Title Game, then its generally agreed Hampton, NC A&T and SC State are out of that conference.
Several schools are stepping up and going DI
The CAA may have 15 football teams in 10 years if it stays together...ODU is definitely adding football, and GSU and GMU are talking about it.
Jerry has stated its his goal to get us into DI-A within 10 years...
And rok...I agree, I think LU has no right to say we deserve to be in a better conference after this season. And for the record, Laurant also made a case as to why we should keep Karcher in an article/editorial during the summer...
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Post by PittLU on Nov 21, 2005 22:39:15 GMT -5
We can sit and argue all day about conference or no conference, but at the end of the day, the only program that is a successful independent is ND. Why - because of scheduling rivalries before conference affiliation was truly en vouge coupled with the national alumni base and big TV money deal. Until LU can graduate enough students with as much passion about the university that ND fans exhibit and turn Sky Angel into a Direct TV equivalent - the BSC is the best we can get.
We can whine all day about not developing the in-state rivalries and why we should schedule JMU, W&M and the like, but the program is what it is. We could schedule those teams every year if we sacrafice some of the gate, but a program 7.4 million in the red cant afford to. So, we will keep scheduling the Rutgers and UConn's of the world to generate some revenue to put a dent in the operating expenses. Becoming an idenpendent changes nothing except saving a few pennies on conference dues.
We need to brighten the corner where we are, while being fiscally responsible and building for a DI jump. Abandoning the BSC would be fruitless unless a better opportunity came. Many points were brought up about conference shakeup. While that is viable, we have to dominate where we are so we are an attractive acquisition.
I have to agree with Laurant on hiring an aggressive young coach. Just because Karcher didnt work out doesnt mean it was a bad plan.
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