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Post by ATrain on Oct 28, 2005 23:52:38 GMT -5
Ok...VaTech and Georgia/Alabama are undefeated and rank 3rd, 4th, and 5th respectively. We all know that VaTech has a tough next couple of weekends and an undefeated season isn't guaranteed by any means, and that Georgia and Alabama will have at least one loss between them eventually, even if it is the SEC title game. So, what happens when the ACC and SEC champions go undefeated, but are left outta the title game b/c the Big 12 and PAC 10 (both lesser conferences IMO) champs are also undefeated? Well, an ESPN article jokingly said the South might secede again (and in all honesty, who could blame us, we don't wanna be associated with dirty states like Pennsylvania-yes PAMed, thats aimed at you), but in all honesty I can see the ACC and SEC rejecting the winner of the Texas/USC game as national champion and recognizing whoever wins their bowl matchup, as well as perhaps leaving the BCS, especially since SEC's undefeated champ Auburn got left outta the title game last season. What are your thoughts?
*this is contingent that USC, Texas, VaTech, and Georgia or Alabama remain undefeated from here till bowl time.
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Post by flamesfan710 on Oct 29, 2005 0:35:22 GMT -5
Makes me want to resurrect my playoff system again
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Post by Sly Fox on Oct 29, 2005 8:47:42 GMT -5
The funny thing is this current BCS mess is the creation of Roy Kramer. The dude's legacy of greed continues to haunt college football and is hurting his own league now directly.
All that said, you don't seriously believe that Va Tech, UGA or the Tide are better than USC & Texas. Do you?
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Post by WinthropEagleFan on Oct 29, 2005 9:42:09 GMT -5
"All that said, you don't seriously believe that Va Tech, UGA or the Tide are better than USC & Texas. Do you? "
That's the sad part about Division I-A college football....it never gets settled on the field, so we are left to judge/compare teams that will never end up playing each other, and just assuming that one team is better than the other, instead of giving them chances to face-off in a playoff.
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Post by Sly Fox on Oct 29, 2005 9:43:05 GMT -5
I agree wholeheartedly. But these are the rules by which we are left to play.
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Post by WinthropEagleFan on Oct 29, 2005 9:49:23 GMT -5
True...but I'm surprised you don't give VT some love...they've looked very good the times I've seen them.
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Post by ATrain on Oct 29, 2005 10:03:48 GMT -5
I honestly believe Bama, Tech, Texas, and Georgia may all be better than USC...USC hasn't looked as impressive recently. But I seriously hope Va Tech and either Georgia/Alabama go undefeated and the ACC and SEC make some serious noise about how flawed the BCS system is...and Sly, I know you're a Longhorn fan with no love for the SEC or ACC, but what would you say if a USC fan asked that same question about Texas and USC, b/c right now Texas is No.1 in BCS standings...
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Post by Sly Fox on Oct 29, 2005 11:22:42 GMT -5
#1 or #2 in BCS makes no difference. It just means you get to play for the title. USC has proved the past two years they deserve the top ranking. Until someone actually beats them (which I believe will happen) they are the reigning champion and should be shown such respect.
Va Tech has looked good against medoicre competition. Its going to be tough for them to keep winning the rest.
Every year we have someone left out it seems.
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Post by youcantsaythat on Oct 29, 2005 11:36:48 GMT -5
I understand ABC college football analyst Terry Bowden made comments about the presidents of the SEC member schools voting to abandon the BCS if Bama or Georgia go undefeated and are left out. I didn't hear his comments but apparently he was pretty strong in his remarks, as if he had knowledge that the SEC would take that type of action. I hope he is correct because I hate the current system.
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Post by Sly Fox on Oct 29, 2005 15:07:00 GMT -5
Once again, that would be the ultimate irony. The greed of Roy Kramer and the SEC is what built the current system.
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Post by bigsmooth on Oct 29, 2005 15:13:46 GMT -5
sly, you never give the ACC any love. im not a VT fan, and everyone on this board knows it. VT has played their conference schedule, and their non-conference games were WVA, marshall, and ohio u. texas has played in a very mediocre big 12, and their non conference games la-lafayette, ohio state and rice. USC has played in a better pac-10 this year with hawaii, arkansas, notre dame and fresno state their non-conference games. i would say slight edge to USC, then texas with a slight edge over VT in OOC games. i would take VT defense over USC or texas. with all that said if all three go undefeated, USC and Texas will play for the title. that is what the media wants. im just tired of people saying the ACC is weak , but in all actuality it is better top to bottom than the big-12 or Pac-10.
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Post by El Scorcho on Oct 29, 2005 18:21:40 GMT -5
...or Georgia go undefeated and are left out. Aaaaaand now the point is moot. At least for UGa. Their offense completely died today. If Ok. St. keeps this first quarter momentum up, this could turn out to be an interesting day indeed. |
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Post by Sly Fox on Oct 29, 2005 20:19:56 GMT -5
Don't give up on the Longhorns just yet. They have a history of big rallies coming out of halftime.
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Post by El Scorcho on Oct 29, 2005 21:04:26 GMT -5
That's why I said "If".  |
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Post by dale on Oct 30, 2005 7:40:28 GMT -5
As much as I love the Tide and the SEC, after seeing a couple of bama games on TV and the Texas game last night, I can't argue with the rankings. Except for the Florida game, Bama seems to play just well enough to win. VT has some tough games left and could very well lose. Texas and USC play have nobody left to play and will probably go undefeated. Its tough to argue the rankings since USC was the champ last year and has not lost and Texas really is a great team as long as Vince Young is in the game.
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Post by bigsmooth on Oct 30, 2005 11:30:13 GMT -5
im was not trying to beat you up sly b/c i am a huge vince young fan! and texas has an easier road to go undefeated than anyone else. what a game last night! if you looked carefully when VY made the 80 yard run, he faked the throw and took off faked the one guy out of his jock, then another cowboy blew his hammy. i had to laugh! vince young for heisman!
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Post by ATrain on Oct 31, 2005 8:18:02 GMT -5
This Saturday has me scared: #3 VaTech v. #5 Miami with 1st place in ACC Coastal on the line. *begins biting nails*
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Post by PittLU on Oct 31, 2005 10:18:51 GMT -5
Since USC and Texas are "so close" in the ratings, you should judge them week to week. No doubt USC whipped a dormat in the PAC 10, but Texas spotted Oaklahoma State 19 points before they decided to play. Based on this week, USC #1, UT #2
Va Tech is intriguing. They got no love in the Big East, and they are getting no love in the ACC. They are a clear cut #3, and should they run the table, they should hop #2 Texas and face USC in the Rose Bowl. Why you ask? They would have beaten a #13 BC, #5 Miami, and #9 FSU in the ACC Champ game. Who has Texas beat other than Ohio State? Should all things remain equal, they will get Colorado in the Big 12 Championship. In the past, VA Tech has struggled down the stretch (Pitt used to feast on them when they were ranked high late in the season), but after watching them play, they are a strong team all around. Texas goes the way of Vince Young. If he decides to turn it on, its over. The only problem is that if he cant get it going early against a top 10 team, Texas is in trouble.
USC should remain #1 until they loose. They have the hardware in the trophy case from last year and have not lost this year. They will destroy UCLA (the most over rated team in the history of college footbal) and waltz into the Rose Bowl for showdown for #1. They have earned it.
The reason the SEC gets so dumped on is their non-conference sheduling. They are so stacked in conference, that they need to bolster the W/L column by beating up low tier D-I schools. The only issue with that is that they beat up each other in conference so much their collective rankings take a hit. I still feel that the division with Bama and Florida is weak, and that if Bama played any other top 10 school (UCLA excluded) they would be whipped by 3 touchdowns or more. The SEC is weak this year, and doesnt deserve any love. I know that is a strong statement being from the Big East (Pitt apologist), but at least we admit we suck while laughing all the way to the bank with our big payday.
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Post by LUconn on Oct 31, 2005 11:57:38 GMT -5
Va Tech is intriguing. They got no love in the Big East, and they are getting no love in the ACC. They are a clear cut #3, and should they run the table, they should hop #2 Texas and face USC in the Rose Bowl. Why you ask? They would have beaten a #13 BC, #5 Miami, and #9 FSU in the ACC Champ game. Who has Texas beat other than Ohio State? Should all things remain equal, they will get Colorado in the Big 12 Championship.... ...USC should remain #1 until they loose. They have the hardware in the trophy case from last year and have not lost this year. They will destroy UCLA (the most over rated team in the history of college footbal) and waltz into the Rose Bowl for showdown for #1. They have earned it. Wasn't the whole point of the BCS to sort out this exact scenario? It was supposed to take all of the factors into account but in the end it's still all being decided by the only subjective aspect: The polls. Which is right back where we started. I hate D1 football! It's so frustrating.  |
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Post by ATrain on Oct 31, 2005 12:08:39 GMT -5
You left out the 51-7 butt-whippin of then #15 Georgia Tech
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Post by seanspeaker on Nov 5, 2005 17:14:06 GMT -5
"Texas and USC play have nobody left to play and will probably go undefeated." - Dale Ummm... You DO know that the sons of Westwood are undefeated, right? They're probably not going to win, but UCLA will still probably give Caroll's boys a good, close game. More on theme with the thread: (singing)Jump on the wagon, the dissolution wagon! Jump on the wagon, let's all take a ride!(Actual CivilWar-era song) If we do secede, remember to vote Sean for President of the Confederate States of America. As president, I promise to cut government as much as you will let me get away with, strengthen our borders, increase our defenses and steele them against the inevetable Yankee reprisals, protect the most valuable thing we have (the Southern family) and always remember that I am representing you. Thank you, and God Bless The South!  |
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Post by PAmedic on Nov 7, 2005 17:06:12 GMT -5
what was the score of Arizona vs UCLS again? - Buehler, Buehler, anyone?
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Post by dale on Nov 8, 2005 15:16:57 GMT -5
Ariizona made my case stronger. UCLA may give USC a close gaome but there's pretty much no way they will win unless Leinert or Brroks or both don't play. I would actually like to see Texas and USC lose so Bama can move up and maybe get to play a team they can beat for the championship, although LSU may take care of Bama's aspirations on Saturday. There speed on defense has me worried.
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Post by flamesfan710 on Nov 8, 2005 18:39:53 GMT -5
what was the score of Arizona vs UCLS again? - Buehler, Buehler, anyone? 52-14 PA...UCLA got majorly exposed by a mediocre team on Saturday |
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Post by PAmedic on Nov 9, 2005 8:47:44 GMT -5
yeah- that was the point of my sarcastic comment. I followed the game live, like most of the country.
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Post by dale on Nov 16, 2005 19:01:17 GMT -5
"I still feel that the division with Bama and Florida is weak, and that if Bama played any other top 10 school (UCLA excluded) they would be whipped by 3 touchdowns or more. The SEC is weak this year, and doesnt deserve any love."
Not that it matters after Bama lost to LSU but FL is in the East with GA, SC, and TN while Bama is in the West with Auburn and LSU. The West is usually the weaker division with those 3 plus MSU, Ol Miss, and Ark. We'll have to see at bowl time how weak the SEC is. You have to start wondering if the SEC defenses are that great or are the offenses weak?
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