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Post by LUconn on Jun 29, 2005 10:37:40 GMT -5
I got some news. Nobody cares about the 40th place basketball team. Especially the press. Heck I'd love for LU to be ranked 40th, (if you guys are even close to that) but let's face it, nobody cares until you win a game in the tourney.
Besides, everybody knows that the Football team is the flagship of every college. Is WU's any good?
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Post by Realist on Jun 29, 2005 11:12:38 GMT -5
I've got news for you. WU's b-ball program has generated millions of dollars for the university, has LU's women done the same? Not even close. You guys could win an intramural championship and more people would care about it.
Football the flagship? At LARGE schools, not some dumpy D1-AA program. Most of them lose money and no one cares about them except a few die-hards at the school.
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Post by thesportscritic on Jun 29, 2005 11:18:42 GMT -5
I've got news for you. WU's b-ball program has generated millions of dollars for the university, has LU's women done the same? Not even close. You guys could win an intramural championship and more people would care about it. Football the flagship? At LARGE schools, not some dumpy D1-AA program. Most of them lose money and no one cares about them except a few die-hards at the school. Your women's team never went as far as we did well they have never had a winning season in quite a while, now look who's talking. Yeah right like I am suppose to believe that, concerning your team bringing millions. You'll still have yet to do nothing in the post season.
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Post by Realist on Jun 29, 2005 11:26:59 GMT -5
Are you a woman? Is this board comprised of all women? I can get you guys some free WNBA tickets if you like, there are always thousands available. WU's women could go 0 for 200 and I wouldn't care.
And yes, Winthrop did a study and our success in MEN's basketball have generated millions of dollars in advertising and press.
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Post by Realist on Jun 29, 2005 11:42:17 GMT -5
My post isn't meant to denigrate what that team accomplished, they have a lot to be proud of, but when you're trying to compare it to men's sports, it's a little absurd.
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Post by thesportscritic on Jun 29, 2005 11:44:08 GMT -5
Are you a woman? Is this board comprised of all women? I can get you guys some free WNBA tickets if you like, there are always thousands available. WU's women could go 0 for 200 and I wouldn't care. And yes, Winthrop did a study and our success in MEN's basketball have generated millions of dollars in advertising and press. Realist did you look at my gender under my name or are you being sarcastic? Speak for yourself concerning your dislike for women's basketball. Baloney on that money. If your program has that kind of money then why is the program in this conference to begin with? It must have been a negative press for blowing a big lead against Gonzaga. Now register for the site. Why do you give a hoot about the WNBA let alone tickets if you don't even care about women's basketball?
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Post by Realist on Jun 29, 2005 11:51:26 GMT -5
Sportscritic, apparently sarcasm is a little lost on you.
The money amount generated in press and advertising has been well documented at the school though I highly doubt I can convince the President to log on to verify it.
Where's Sly or PA so at least I have someone that can compete in the playing field of wits.
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Post by thesportscritic on Jun 29, 2005 11:58:18 GMT -5
Sportscritic, apparently sarcasm is a little lost on you. The money amount generated in press and advertising has been well documented at the school though I highly doubt I can convince the President to log on to verify it. Where's Sly or PA so at least I have someone that can compete in the playing field of wits. Right back at you. Well I guess it is you and me now sonny. I can be a very sarcastic person so lets not go that route.
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Post by LUconn on Jun 29, 2005 13:37:23 GMT -5
That sounds like a threat. A threat of sarcasm.
I'd agree that nobody cares about wbb, including myself. But since when were we talking about making money? I don't think there is a single AA football team that makes money. They all lose money. That's not the issue. I dont even remember what the issue was, but I know that wasn't it. I'll have to reread.
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Post by LUconn on Jun 29, 2005 13:50:32 GMT -5
There's no such thing as women's mid majors, that's b/c NO ONE CARES about women's basketball. Grow some people and compete in real sports........ I'm sorry you're calling card has to be a lady's basketball program, while our top-40 men's basketball team gets the press. right, this is the issue at hand. Real sports and getting the press. I'll start off by saying neither program from either school gets any press unless it has something to do with Falwell and that fact that his school has sports. Second, I don't think WU can go around pointing fingers about competing in "real" sports. I even read a quote from marshall in an article about WU attendence earlier this year, that students aren't at the mbb games because they're to busy whining they don't have a football team. In conclusion, WU is good at baseball and their bball team is better than the rest of the big south. Stop trying to make the program out to be some kind of Gonzaga east. Wait until March. Then you might be able to make such silly claims.
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Post by aLUmnus on Jun 29, 2005 14:19:40 GMT -5
SportsCritic, we all feel your passion, but in reality, hardly anyone cares about women's basketball. There was more support for the women's team in 1996 than there was last season. Just be honest with yourself, the sport is not a big deal.
Realist, Winthrop had its one day of glory, and if anyone happened to notice it, well, I'm sure they couldn't remember who Gonzaga beat two days later. The team generated millions in media revenue. Yeah, local media revenue, that's what athletic programs are supposed to do. Find one dime that was generated 20 miles outside of Rock Hill. Honestly, Liberty's women's team garnered more national press than Winthrop's men's team. Our calling card is our athletic program, not just one sport, because our program is good from top to bottom (well, almost to bottom). Winthrop baseball is nothing to push aside, and is easily the school's premier program. But in all seriousness, no men's basketball team in the big south has any notariety.
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Post by PAmedic on Jun 29, 2005 15:02:01 GMT -5
I would like to take a minute to break in here and thank REALIST for pointing out what a genius I am, though he did include SLY in the compliment. Sir, you are a gentleman and a scholar.
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Post by Sly Fox on Jun 29, 2005 16:18:12 GMT -5
First off Realist, be careful saying you want to match wits with PAmedic. You lose credibility immediately with those type of comparisons. As for the millions of dollars in revenue you were referring to, I believe that was in reference to the exposure from the television coverage in both the Big South & NCAA Tournaments along with some appearance money. Its hard to quantify the monetary value of live television coverage of a sports event or the editorial exposure from being on ESPN Sportscenter or local television sportscasts. That said, the exposure the Liberty women got making it to the Sweet 16 far exceeded the Eagles near miss against Gonzaga when they were so many other games going on up against it in the Big Dance. There was tons of national exposure for the women heading into their Sweet 16 matchup with top-ranked LSU. So theoretically speaking, the Lady Flames probably outgrossed the Winthrop men if you want to use those parameters. All that said, I think most of us would prefer to be more successful in mens hoops than womens. But if you got it, you might as well applaud it. Back in our first NCAA mens appearance in the Early '90s against top-ranked North carolina, we played with them until late in the 2nd half when the Tarheels exploded and blew us away. But that wasn't until nearly the entire nation had switched from their regional coverage as a potential upset of the centure was brewing. The exposure we got from that loss was amazing and probably would've been comparable to a ton of money in 2005 exchange rates. So its all relative.
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Post by thesportscritic on Jun 29, 2005 17:45:30 GMT -5
Alumunus wrote "SportsCritic, we all feel your passion, but in reality, hardly anyone cares about women's basketball. There was more support for the women's team in 1996 than there was last season. Just be honest with yourself, the sport is not a big deal." No offense Alumunus but nobody including you really feels my passion for women's basketball and I do have a passion for men's basketball. My passion is equal for both teams. I want to see both teams compete and win at the highest level. I am quite honest with my self, the sport to me is a very big deal. It is ashamed that alot of people don't give a flying hoot about it. You'll are missing the best part.
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Post by Realist on Jun 29, 2005 21:23:09 GMT -5
PA-you're a funny dude.
I was more referring to gross over the years from the repeated NCAA births. And yes, to whoever posted before, it does generate outside of the local area. One of the major california papers put us on the front cover one year, the next year enrollment was up, partly due to the fact that we had record number of californians at the school. That's just an example. LU certainly got more airtime with Women's basketball this year, but I was talking more cumulative.
I hope feminist organizations don't try to hack my computer now. I enjoy it when WU's women's programs succeed (WU volleyball has been establishing it's dominance for the last few years) but you're not going to see me go nuts for it.
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Post by Realist on Jun 29, 2005 21:27:12 GMT -5
Alumnus, just wanted to point out to you that WU won more championships than LU this year. So don't try the "total program" argument.
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Post by Sly Fox on Jun 29, 2005 21:54:37 GMT -5
Realist --- While I agree with much of your premise, you have to admit womens hoops is a notch above volleyball in the grand scheme. Its far behind the big three, but its a step above other mens & womens sports.
And don't feed PAmedic's ego. It will only encourage him more.
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Post by thesportscritic on Jun 29, 2005 22:15:23 GMT -5
PA-you're a funny dude. I was more referring to gross over the years from the repeated NCAA births. And yes, to whoever posted before, it does generate outside of the local area. One of the major california papers put us on the front cover one year, the next year enrollment was up, partly due to the fact that we had record number of californians at the school. That's just an example. LU certainly got more airtime with Women's basketball this year, but I was talking more cumulative. I hope feminist organizations don't try to hack my computer now. I enjoy it when WU's women's programs succeed (WU volleyball has been establishing it's dominance for the last few years) but you're not going to see me go nuts for it. Well Realist that is your problem. What is wrong with liking women's sports? Absolutely Nothing!!!!!!!!! I like watching women's sports. So if you are saying that it is wrong for men to watch women's sports, you got another thing coming buster. You may not like women's sports but I do and that is that. Next subject please.
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Post by LUconn on Jun 30, 2005 7:24:50 GMT -5
No offense Alumunus but nobody including you really feels my passion for women's basketball and I do have a passion for men's basketball. My passion is equal for both teams. I want to see both teams compete and win at the highest level. I am quite honest with my self, the sport to me is a very big deal. It is ashamed that alot of people don't give a flying hoot about it. You'll are missing the best part. I think that was his nice way of trying to tell you to drop the whole women's sports aspect of the conversation, as it isn't close to the same level of men's sports. You may disagree but it's the reality of sports.
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Post by PAmedic on Jun 30, 2005 8:25:42 GMT -5
Are you a woman? Is this board comprised of all women? "I don't care who ya are- thats funny right there!" (props to Blue Collar Comedy TV) and I would defend my manhood, but I just remembered my previous post about wanting to be a flaggette, (THATS WITH AN "L") wearing makeup and go-go boots. so, in summation, I'm not a woman, just a wannabe cross dresser. (KIDDING, gerald/SC05)
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Post by LUconn on Jun 30, 2005 8:48:40 GMT -5
Ha, some of you will need to put that in your signature.
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Post by thesportscritic on Jun 30, 2005 9:17:54 GMT -5
No offense Alumunus but nobody including you really feels my passion for women's basketball and I do have a passion for men's basketball. My passion is equal for both teams. I want to see both teams compete and win at the highest level. I am quite honest with my self, the sport to me is a very big deal. It is ashamed that alot of people don't give a flying hoot about it. You'll are missing the best part. I think that was his nice way of trying to tell you to drop the whole women's sports aspect of the conversation, as it isn't close to the same level of men's sports. You may disagree but it's the reality of sports. You'll brought the subject up to begin with in the first place. Maybe that is your reality but I like to watch women's sports and if you don't then that is your deal. I am not one of those ordinary guys like you'll who don't like women's sports. The only reason you'll even care a little about the women's(bball) team at LU is just because they went far into the tourmanent. In reality some of you have no say about this women's team because you'll never showed up at any game this season. Even if they were in the top ten in the country you'll wouldn't even care. I hope that changes in the future but based on the conversations read so far in this post, it sure doesn't look like your feelings will change anytime soon. Get used to me, I like to watch women's sports, and I go to every game in the Vines Center including Volleyball, women's, and men's basketball games.
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Post by aLUmnus on Jun 30, 2005 13:41:53 GMT -5
Hmm, I think I remember someone attending just about every women's game for four years while they attended Liberty. Oh, that was me! Well, maybe I wasn't there. I don't know, you seem to know more about me than I do. Do I like nascar? (because I'd rather not)
You'll? Is that some sophisticated version of y'all? Sorry, sometimes it's difficult for us Northerners living in the south.
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Post by thesportscritic on Jun 30, 2005 14:29:54 GMT -5
Hmm, I think I remember someone attending just about every women's game for four years while they attended Liberty. Oh, that was me! Well, maybe I wasn't there. I don't know, you seem to know more about me than I do. Do I like nascar? (because I'd rather not) You'll? Is that some sophisticated version of y'all? Sorry, sometimes it's difficult for us Northerners living in the south. You got a problem with me using "you'll?" Well good for you that you attended the games back in your days. I unlike you plan to follow them after I am gone from Liberty.
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