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Post by El Scorcho on Nov 23, 2005 3:41:17 GMT -5
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Post by baldspot on Nov 23, 2005 6:28:01 GMT -5
Here's Bob Christmas' bio from North Hall's web site.
Education:
B.S.--Physical Education--University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
Teaching Experience:
North Hall High School--Head Football Coach--3 years
Bainbridge High School--Head Football Coach--4 years
Jefferson Forest High School--Head Football Coach--9 years
Lynchburg Christian Academy--Head Football Coach--7 years
Liberty University--Assistant Football Coach--3 years
Southside Christian School--Head Football Coach--3 years
If we went the D1 asst coach route, Rocco would at least know the recruiting trail in the VA area. My guess is these names were leaked as part of a dog and pony show but we will go elsewhere.
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Post by HarrisburgFlame on Nov 23, 2005 6:42:02 GMT -5
Wow. Disappointing. To use an AlGroh phrase "it is what it is and you are what you are" - seems like to me we aren't looking to shock and awe with a new hire. I hope Dr. Falwell is getting some help on this - Coach Karcher is looking better to me every second.
Maybe I'll feel better after a few cups of coffee.
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Post by guest on Nov 23, 2005 8:35:01 GMT -5
Bob Christmas would be a mistake. Not because of him personally, but he is a high school football coach. Dr. Falwell's recent comments have been about becoming competitive quickly at 1-AA and going D-1 in 10 years. If he is serious about that you don't hire a highschool coach to take on that project, unless the job was offered to college coaches and they turned it down. Does anyone know of a college at the 1-aa level that has hired a highschool football coach?
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Post by HarrisburgFlame on Nov 23, 2005 8:43:28 GMT -5
I remember Gerry Faust from Moeller HS in Cincinnati to Notre Dame - disaster.
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Post by Sly Fox on Nov 23, 2005 9:33:53 GMT -5
I had the same thought immediately, Hburg. Last I heard Gerry was at Akron many years ago. Perhaps one of the biggest disasters in college football history.
I seriously doubt those two candidates would be anywhere near the top of our list. I agree wholeheartedly that hiring a high school coach would be completely baffling.
If jeff Bowden is the choice I would expect there to be an announcement after next Saturday's ACC Championship.
Otherwise, this search is being kept surprisingly low key.
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Post by Stevev on Nov 23, 2005 10:29:44 GMT -5
Bowden or Rocco would be good candidates. Christmas would be a mistake. We need someone to turn this program around fast so we should look at a candidate who goes above and beyond the average 1AA coach resume but it will cost us some $$$$. There must be others out there who could put their name in the hat.
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Post by bigsmooth on Nov 23, 2005 10:46:54 GMT -5
christmas would be a mistake! he is a very good high school coach, and his biggest asset would be recruiting virginia, and now south georgia. a good candidate for an assistant. rocco would be OK as well with recruiting virginia and pennsylvania, but im not sure that he is a head coach. i sure hope the list is better than this. good job HF using a al groh reference....would frank beamer be mad at you???
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Post by Chris Lang on Nov 23, 2005 11:03:09 GMT -5
Any "shock and awe" hire would be an over-the-hill name coach. Think about Liberty's resources and limitations. Why would any name, established coach currently in Division I want to come here considering how low the program is now? LU has money, but not THAT much money.
Liberty needs someone young, aggressive and hungry to be its head coach. Not a 60-something.
I can't comment any further, but I just thought I'd throw that out there for thought.
EDIT: To add, when I say "limitations" I say the strict nature of the school itself, and how it may turn some prospective athletes off, much like the "limitations" Bronco Mendenhall deals with at BYU.
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Post by Stevev on Nov 23, 2005 11:22:30 GMT -5
Yes, we have been through the "Over the Hill" thing before with Sam R and you know where that took us. Good points Chris.
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Post by Sly Fox on Nov 23, 2005 14:12:30 GMT -5
You don't need to talk in code, Chris. We know exactly what you are talking about.
Young coaches are not always what they are cracked up to be (look at our current situation for instance). We may go that route or we may not.
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Post by eddantes on Nov 23, 2005 14:55:36 GMT -5
As accomplished as Rocco may be, I can't see anyone saying "Holy cow! Look at what Liberty did! Now THAT's a team going in the right direction!" with that pick. And I certainly feel the same way with Coach Christmas.
People saying that a person like that would be far beyond what Liberty is willing to spend. Well, Liberty plans on going D-I and expanding W. Stadium to 36,000. That costs money, but it costs money to make money.
Find the best coach available and write a blank check.
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Post by Chris Lang on Nov 23, 2005 14:57:38 GMT -5
You don't need to talk in code, Chris. We know exactly what you are talking about. Young coaches are not always what they are cracked up to be (look at our current situation for instance). We may go that route or we may not. Yeah, I know. You just never know how people will take things on a message board, so I thought I'd clarify.  |
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Post by baldspot on Nov 24, 2005 10:46:32 GMT -5
I think Jerry's statement that at the age of 72 he wants to be D1 top 20 in his lifetime has led me to believe he has an accomphlished winner (over age of 60) in mind. This may be at the AD position, however, with a young but credentialed D1 assistant ala Bowden or Rocco at the coaching position.
The Faust analogy is interesting because ND had a good program prior to him with Devine but there were concerns Devine wasn't Catholic enough so the school found an altar boy so to speak in Faust. After swallowing their pride and firing Faust, they brought in someone who knew how to win but was much less of a Catholic named Holtz. Karcher was our version of Faust. Good guy, just couldn't win.
The type of coach I think we are looking for is a Bill McCartney type won a nat'l title at Colorado then helped start the Promise Keepers. There were serious problems with some of his players off the field behavior while at Colorado but he definitely has the credentials.
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Post by guest on Nov 24, 2005 22:44:20 GMT -5
heard Dr. Falwell has spoke with Dan Reeves. NOT SURE how true.
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Post by eddantes on Nov 24, 2005 22:51:45 GMT -5
Ha ha ha, my first post on this board was a suggestion that LU should get Dan Reeves. Bt it's probably not feasible, with the age and history of health problems.
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Post by PAmedic on Nov 24, 2005 23:24:14 GMT -5
don't dismiss the Reeves rumors so quickly.
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Post by Laughin on Nov 25, 2005 11:01:05 GMT -5
Did Karch play for Reeves? If so, anybody else find that funny?
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Post by Sly Fox on Nov 25, 2005 11:23:02 GMT -5
I didn't think of the connection until you mentioned it, nut I believe he did. He also played for Mack Brown at Tulane. But i don't see Mack leaving the 40 Acres to come to Liberty Mountain. ;D
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Post by Xcneagledb on Nov 25, 2005 14:12:59 GMT -5
You guys on here are nuts. None of those big names are coming to "The Mountain". What does Liberty have to offer Reeves or vice versa? Do you think Dr. Falwell would put up w/ his salty discussions on the sidelines? You want Jeff Bowden? Look how horrible FSU has been on offense since he took over from Richt. Face it you are a low level D1AA at this time. You may need a Ken Sparks type to get you back on track, then look for a name coach after you get things turned around.
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Post by Sly Fox on Nov 25, 2005 14:54:47 GMT -5
We may be loco, but we think big.
I am a big fan of Coach Sparks. In fact, my current pastor played on the line for him years ago at C-N. But I don't think he's the right fit for us at this point. For the record, I think he should've been hired six years ago. But hindsight is 20/20.
While you are here, can you let us know whether or not C-N has any interest at all following PC to the Big South? I know they have been very content being a big fish in a small pond for years. But I'm curious if that has changed any.
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Post by Xcneagledb on Nov 25, 2005 15:15:42 GMT -5
We will not be going anywhere anytime soon. Main problem is coming up w/ more scholarships. We only give 25 now. That is across the board for the conference. D2 gives 36. Who is your pastor? I probably played with him.
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Post by Sly Fox on Nov 25, 2005 16:35:42 GMT -5
Mark Howell. Its been quite awhile since he played for the Eagles. He recently came to us here in Houston from Little Rock.
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Post by FHSFlash on Nov 25, 2005 20:49:52 GMT -5
Surely you mean 25 a year? 90 is the limit for the whole team.
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Post by Sly Fox on Nov 25, 2005 23:01:17 GMT -5
No, he means 25 total scholarships. They split them up like baseball does. 36 is the max for an entire Division II team but certain conferences agree to limit themselves to a lesser number to keep costs down.
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Post by PAmedic on Nov 26, 2005 12:21:01 GMT -5
yikes. and we nearly got beat by Concord? thats a phenomenal use of cash on their part, and a magnificant waste of it on ours.
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Post by CNCEagle on Nov 30, 2005 15:54:31 GMT -5
I agree with the other CN poster, Ken Sparks would do wonders at LU...but I'd hate to lose him at CN.
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Post by Sly Fox on Nov 30, 2005 18:03:06 GMT -5
I don't believe Sparks is under serious consideration. But he's the type of man I'd love to see running the show.
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Post by CNCEagle on Dec 1, 2005 10:37:48 GMT -5
We may be loco, but we think big. I am a big fan of Coach Sparks. In fact, my current pastor played on the line for him years ago at C-N. But I don't think he's the right fit for us at this point. For the record, I think he should've been hired six years ago. But hindsight is 20/20. While you are here, can you let us know whether or not C-N has any interest at all following PC to the Big South? I know they have been very content being a big fish in a small pond for years. But I'm curious if that has changed any. I don't think CN is interested in 1AA at this time, the school enrollment is just not big enough to support that type of move. I remember in 1996 when we played for the DII title, we were the smallest school ever to play in the DII National Championship game. |
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