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Post by PittLU on Jan 12, 2005 15:54:15 GMT -5
Thought you guys might get a kick out of this......
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Post by PAmedic on Jan 12, 2005 16:34:43 GMT -5
clarification needed here: hypothetically speaking, if the Dean of Men just STRONGLY suggested you NOT return the following year, but you weren't officially expelled, does that count? Hypothetically, of course.
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Post by PAmedic on Jan 12, 2005 16:35:43 GMT -5
otherwise, lets say 33.3%
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Post by PittLU on Jan 12, 2005 16:52:35 GMT -5
Missed that line item.............sorry!
Please post 33.3% below with PAmedic if you were "Strongly not encouraged to return". You know - that always cracks me up coming from my private school background!
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Post by Sly Fox on Jan 13, 2005 7:04:45 GMT -5
What if you were ordered to "Cease & desist" by Dean Emerick or be expelled? But due to a question regarding the dispensation of finality of said actions, I neither ceased or desisted yet still remained in eligibility? In general, like many kids away from home for the first time I did some things I wouldn't do again now that I'm a little older & wiser. BTW - If we weren't persona non gratis prior to this thread, we certainly are now.  |
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Post by PittLU on Jan 13, 2005 8:05:03 GMT -5
The purpose of this poll is to show that whatever anyone might say about Liberty - it is still college. College is a time of finding your way. I am not condoning the "Girls Gone Wild" stuff, but if you have a beer or sneak off campus or disagree with a professor's views - you shouldnt be branded a heretic!
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Post by PAmedic on Jan 13, 2005 8:14:06 GMT -5
sir: I completely and wholeheartedly agree with your enlightened attitude.
my new byline shall be: "I love Dean Emerick"
(is the man still around?)
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Post by PAmedic on Jan 13, 2005 8:15:59 GMT -5
and after that HORRIFYING abortion movie they made us watch during freshman orientation- I think I would jump off a cliff first (assuming the rather unlikely scenario that as a male, I would need to make that choice)
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Post by PittLU on Jan 13, 2005 8:22:19 GMT -5
Oh, I have to add that Dean Emerick's daughter Dana was stalking me while I was at LU. She was kind of a quasi, hippie chick (or at least as much as you can be at LU). I actually had dinner at Dean Emerick's house (after constant nagging by Dana) and he was a pretty cool guy even though he had a rep of being a ball buster. I avoided Dana like the plague though.
The man we all feared living off campus was Dean Gomes. He was like the boogeyman who would show up at your house unexpectantly. Our landlord actually called Dean Gomes and told him we had beer bottles everywhere (we had a few in the basement). We got that message on the answering machine and cleaned like there was no tomorrow. You had to constantly be aware of people who would turn you in - even landlords who knew they had that type of control over the students.....
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Post by PittLU on Jan 13, 2005 8:25:49 GMT -5
We saw the rath of Dean Emerick when they showed us the Rape video our freshman year. There was a music intro and several of the guys started to clap to the beat. Dean Emerick turned off the movie and lambasted all of the guys and said that he had a daughter and he couldnt believe how rude we were being. It was really embarrassing.
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Post by Sly Fox on Jan 13, 2005 8:42:56 GMT -5
Back in my day, if you were off-campus you were home free. There were no deans or admin henchmen watching your moves.
As for Dean Emerick, he actually came across very cool to me. He saved a slew of my friends from expulsion (and they all deserved it). It was actually the womens dean (I can't remember her maiden name was the same as my surname) who brought my matter to the surface. Emerick could've kicked my can to the curb (to the embarassment of my family including my father the pastor and grandfather the evangelist who is personal friends with Jerry) but he didn't. If he had, I probably wouldn't enjoy the same affection for the school that I now possess.
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Post by PAmedic on Jan 13, 2005 9:02:05 GMT -5
We saw the rath of Dean Emerick when they showed us the Rape video our freshman year. so they've upgraded (?) from abortion to rape now? seems like a fear-promoting agenda. here's a thought, help kids make good decisions based on POSITIVE encouragement. maybe I'm just looney. |
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Post by PittLU on Jan 13, 2005 9:33:01 GMT -5
I couldnt agree more about the video. That was just wrong and uncomfortable. I am less likely to rape because of the way I was raised and the respect towards women taught by my parents and church. A video doesnt charge the mind of a rapist one way or another!
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Post by PittLU on Jan 13, 2005 9:34:54 GMT -5
I agree Sly. I really think the Deans there (Dean Emerick in particular) are not that bad of guys. They are in a tough position, but for the most part - they handle the situations as best as they can. Glad to hear you werent curb kicked  |
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Post by jimflamesfan on Jan 16, 2005 22:41:06 GMT -5
Guys, I put 90%. I followed most of the rules...
I think I got 1 rep. I can't remember what for.
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Post by belcherboy on Jan 16, 2005 23:14:08 GMT -5
Back about 1997/1998 I played the role of the date rape guy in the big hall meeting for the women in the Vine's center. It was kind of cool being the date rape guy at first, until about 3 months later girls were still asking me "weren't you the date rape guy?"
Dean Emerick saved my roomate from being kicked out of school. He and his roomate got poop faced while watching a movie at Cinemark. The police saw him walking back to campus, smelled alcohol and called Dean Emerick. He was suspended, but Emerick let him stay at his home for the 2 days he was suspended (he had no where to go and couldn't afford to go home). After that my roomate wasn't perfect, but he graduated with honors!! Really turned his life around.
My sister was on the softball team and she told me of a party Gomes busted when she was there. Everyone was panicking, but no one got in trouble. If there was no alcohol than they pretty much slapped you on the wrist when I went to Liberty.
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Post by PittLU on Jan 17, 2005 8:41:29 GMT -5
Belcherboy - I know of that incident you are referring to about the two students who drank a few too many at Cinemark and were busted walking back to campus. That was the time I was at LU - were the initials of one of the guys DA?
As far as Dean Gomes - he was legend at LU. We were at a Halloween party my senior year (no alcohol, but dancing and stuff) and someone showed up in a Michael Myers outfit, but the person never said a word. It was always rumored that it was Dean Gomes. You dont know how many parties we had at our house that were rumored to have Dean Gomes driving past, or in some way hearing about. For all of the paranoia, I never met the man and/or got expelled.....
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Post by Sly Fox on Jan 17, 2005 9:06:01 GMT -5
Congrats, Jim on keeping the straight & narrow. I wish I had stayed the straight path I began when I first arrived on campus. But surrouded by a bunch of kids like me who had led fairly sheltered childhoods (which I beleieve was a great thing looking back now), we all kind of pushed each other a bit to express our independence. Its a common theme of adolescence. Now looking back over 15 years after graduation, I have come nearly full circle in my midlife. Other than the aforementioned movies, my lifestyle is very much The Liberty Way now on my own. And you know what? Its probably because I don't have the restrictions from an outside source. Its because I have matured and learned that after experiencing some things they weren't all they were cracked up to be.
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Post by PAmedic on Jan 17, 2005 9:09:40 GMT -5
EXACTLY- how does that verse go: train up a child in the way he should go- when he is old, he will not depart from it.
As a parent- I show my kids what is right or wrong. They will make their own choices, I can' t control it- but if taught well, they will eventually come around. Not to get heavy, but thats' how my life has been. Sheltered childhood, rough years during and post-LU, great now and getting better all the time!
Now- back to the SPORTS.....!
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Post by Duntonville on Jan 17, 2005 11:23:32 GMT -5
Jim- i was a sub-4-reper too. not even any Rs except on break
My parents were neither highly sheltering nor permissive, so I guess I don't understand some of your experiences.
This TP thing has got my attention though...if someone doesn't mind clueing us young guys in...
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Post by SCAR on Jan 17, 2005 12:23:06 GMT -5
Duntonville,
I don't know how far back the tradition goes in Philly but for as long as I could remember as a kid in the 70's and 80's the first basket scored by the home team (or in the case of Big 5 basketball your respective school since both schools were "home"), everyone and I mean everyone would through streamers, confetti, toilet paper etc. in celebration. It would be a 10-15 minute delay to clear the floor, then play would resume. In the late 80's people in Syracuse started throwing oranges! People in NYC threw apples (the big apple) and things got out of control. So for the saftey of players, coaches and fans alike, they banned throwing anything on the floor whatsoever for any reason. It was immediately halted and a great LU tradition was lost forever. Slyfox and others can vouch for this, but the clean up crew sprung into action quickly and had it down to a science. I could almost see them moving onto the court before the first shot even hit the ground after going through the net!
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Post by PittLU on Jan 17, 2005 12:46:18 GMT -5
I love the TP tradition! I missed that time period - wish I could have witnessed that! Can any of you vouch for the throwing of marshmellows for the first TD in a football game? I know that was going on in the mid to late 90's when I left LU.
As far as sheltering - I was very similar to Sly. I am still not far removed from graduation, but find myself living close to the way you "should have" at Liberty. I completely agree with "Train up a child the way he should go....". I am sure my parents can attest to it being touch and go for a while.
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Post by Sly Fox on Jan 17, 2005 14:00:07 GMT -5
My wayward ways at Liberty weren't my parents fault by any means. But as often occurs, when left completely unencumbered by constraint, we sometimes swing too far the other direction ... particularly at college age.
As for the TP, it was one of the most awe-inspiring sights ever at LU. We're talking Pre-Vines Center here when we would have the old gym packed out in the old Mason-Dixon Conference days.
As for football games, Texas Tech really got that fad going in the Mid '90s by thowing tortillas after touchdowns. Buit like most fads, a combination of the NCAA and the novelty wearing off killed this tradition fairly quickly.
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Post by jimflamesfan on Jan 17, 2005 21:42:56 GMT -5
Thanks Sly.
I transferred to LU from a branch campus of Pitt, where you could do just about anything.
I didn't mind the rules at LU....although I got upset at stupid selective enforcement.
Everyone seems to be talking about this everywhere else, so I'll weigh in...I was a Philadelphia Eagles fan even though I'm from western PA (back in the day of Randall Cunnigham, Hershel Walker and the like). Although this year I'm hoping for a Steelers Superbowl (less talking, more getting it done on the field).
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Post by jimflamesfan on Jan 17, 2005 21:46:48 GMT -5
I forgot the main reason I was writing...toilet paper at the bb games?
I went to LU starting in '97...at that time the tradition was throwing marshmallows at the football games (in the stands at each other), although I was in the band. In 97 we weren't allowed to throw back, but in '98 we were...so the marshmallow wars were fun.
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Post by eddantes on Jan 17, 2005 22:52:14 GMT -5
I bring unfortunate news... As of 2003, the marshmellow tradition during football games has been officially quelled.
By my sophomore year, LUPD was scouting the grounds and ejecting people that thew marshmellows. By my senior year, not one was thrown.
Man, we used to have the entire visitors side covered with marshmellows.
Let's see, during basketball games we had a short-lived tradition whenever the "Hey" song was played ("nah nah nah nah nah, Hey! nah nah nah....") we'd scream "you suck!" after Hey! until Jerry told us to stop it during convocation.
I tried to get people to read the LU champion while the other team was being introduced during basketball games, or when the Radford leer-leaders were dancing around... but that went nowhere.
*sigh*
Oh, and 3.5 years on campus, 11 total reps.
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Post by PAmedic on Jan 17, 2005 23:38:17 GMT -5
Let's see, during basketball games we had a short-lived tradition whenever the "Hey" song was played ("nah nah nah nah nah, Hey! nah nah nah....") we'd scream "you suck!" after Hey! until Jerry told us to stop it during convocation. Jerry wanted you to stop yelling "you suck!" DURING CONVOCATION? no wonder he was upset, that's a bit rude! I'M KIDDING- I got the point, just felt like nit-picking your sentence structure. |
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Post by PittLU on Jan 18, 2005 7:39:35 GMT -5
Ed - we got in trouble too back in '96. The mascot ran onto the b ball court and body slammed a referee doll stuffed with newspapers with a noose around its neck (Big South Tourney I believe). Jerry flipped and canned the mascot (great break for Paul Pierson). If you go on the News and Advance website, there is an article about him (Paul Pierson) done sometime last week. He is currently the mascot for the Chicago Bears.
We did get the students section to read the Champion when players were introduced ('96 & '97), but as the LU teams got worse, the tradition faded. We also were brow beaten for doing the OHHH.........sit down, you suck when an apposing player was subbed out.
Jim - are you still living in Western PA? We were at LU at the same time. I knew most of the LU kids from this area. I am originally from Connellsville, but now live in Allison Park.
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Post by PittLU on Jan 18, 2005 7:46:47 GMT -5
I have to admit - I feel like the bad egg on this board. I probably broke every rule in the Liberty Way, but I was never caught. I think that in a way, that was good. Once I got all of that out of my system, I really came back to embrace what Liberty stands for, but understand now more than ever that it is not for everyone. I can understand how sheltered people would rebel, but I actually think that is healthy in a way. Put it like this, if you learn to be bad with a bunch of people who are rooted in Christianity and have the core values - you can only stray so far.
On a lighter note - for those of you recent alum - are there any traditions you forsee returning as far as the LU students at athletic events?
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Post by eddantes on Jan 18, 2005 13:17:32 GMT -5
PAMedic - thanks for the grammar lesson. (grr....) Uh, there was one time DURING convocation that the speaker was really boring, so we started doing the wave. Can't imagine Jerr-bear was happy with that one.
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