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Post by eddantes on Sept 17, 2005 9:38:57 GMT -5
This is *not* a "Fire Karcher" thread. I certainly believe that he needs to finish out this season before any executive decision needs to be made, and I don't think it will... Largely because I believe that LU is heading for a 7-4 season (and winning the Big South).
But I'm building on the last post that I put in the "Should LU jump to I-A status?" thread.
Jeff Sagarin, of USA Today compiles an unbiased ranking of all Division I teams (A and AA) every year, and these can be accessed by going to USA Today.com.
In 1999, Sam Rutigliano's last year (in which he went 4-7), LU was ranked 171 out of 238 (keep in mind that the 117 or so D 1-A schools are included in this). Schedule strength - 118 - overall - which is essentially one of the toughest in I-AA competition.
In 2004, Karcher went 6-5. LU was ranked 178 out of 239 teams. Schedule strength was 186. Keep in mind that this was the year that Karcher's vaunted first recruiting class were seniors (or redshirt juniors).
171 vs. 178. Draw your own conclusions.
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Post by eddantes on Sept 17, 2005 9:39:59 GMT -5
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Post by eddantes on Sept 17, 2005 9:48:22 GMT -5
From today's News and Advance:
"Since the 1998 season, LU has beaten just one I-AA team that finished with a winning record (Coastal Carolina in 2003 in the first year of that program’s existence). The Flames’ last true quality I-AA win came in November 1997, when they beat Appalachain State in Boone, N.C."
Courtesy: Chris Lang, who I'm already liking better than Robert Daski.
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Post by HarrisburgFlame on Sept 17, 2005 9:48:23 GMT -5
ed:
I see where you are going with this but I am thankfully coaches and programs aren't graded on Saragin ratings! I can't figure that screwy rating system out except to say I don't think throwing a bunch of numbers into an formula and cranking out a ranking is an accurate depiction. There have been years these screwball teams like Boise and others end up in the Top 5 when if you put them in the SEC or some other major conference they would be a bottom feeder.
I don't think Karcher has moved the program forward like we want - but I can't jump him over the Saragin rating because I think that rating system is pure junk.
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Post by HarrisburgFlame on Sept 17, 2005 9:53:02 GMT -5
FYI - the RPI for college basketball stinks as well!
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Post by HarrisburgFlame on Sept 17, 2005 10:00:17 GMT -5
Here is what I am getting at with Sagarin:
There are variables in football you can't assign a number or rating. Example: You are a 9-0 team going on the road to play an 0-9 team on Senior Day. The 0-9 team has solid seniors and they are looking at this game as their chance to redeem their year. They play over their heads but you still win 17-16. Sagarin has no variable for that. At 9-0 you're happy you walked out with a W and saved blowing your season. You know that you played your butt off to get out fo there alive. Sagarin sees that as you beat an 0-9 team thus your SOS takes a hit. But on the day you played that team with the other factors involved (Senior Day) they really weren't playing like a 0-9 team on that day.
Figures lie and liars figure.
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Post by Sly Fox on Sept 17, 2005 10:20:42 GMT -5
I think we all agree the first five years of Karcher's tenure haven't exactly been a roaring success. But this seems more like an offseason discussion or something for later int he season when we are still struggling. Let's try to focus on the possibility of changing our fotunes tonight.
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Post by grm on Sept 17, 2005 16:17:21 GMT -5
I like Chris, too, and, oh yes, let's not contemplate canning the coach during the season.
I know its fun to be irresponsible in our comments when there seems to be no consequence or accountability, but these postings can, like rumors, be destructive, developing a "life of their own."
Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
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Post by bigsmooth on Sept 17, 2005 17:12:47 GMT -5
as much movement and changes dr. park has made since his arrival it would not surprise me if karcher has a bad year that he might pull the plug. in my eyes though a bad year will give karcher one final year, then dr. park will make a change. let's all hope we continue to improve, and are talking about a BSC title this year!
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Post by eddantes on Sept 17, 2005 21:35:55 GMT -5
Harrisburg: Yeah, the Sagarin ratings do neglect a lot of things, such as your hypothetical. I mean, you could face off against a decent team and lose by a FG in OT, and it would have the same impact on your ratings as a 42-0 drubbing in front of a home crowd.
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Post by thesportscritic on Sept 17, 2005 21:54:52 GMT -5
This is *not* a "Fire Karcher" thread. I certainly believe that he needs to finish out this season before any executive decision needs to be made, and I don't think it will... Largely because I believe that LU is heading for a 7-4 season (and winning the Big South). But I'm building on the last post that I put in the "Should LU jump to I-A status?" thread. Jeff Sagarin, of USA Today compiles an unbiased ranking of all Division I teams (A and AA) every year, and these can be accessed by going to USA Today.com. In 1999, Sam Rutigliano's last year (in which he went 4-7), LU was ranked 171 out of 238 (keep in mind that the 117 or so D 1-A schools are included in this). Schedule strength - 118 - overall - which is essentially one of the toughest in I-AA competition. In 2004, Karcher went 6-5. LU was ranked 178 out of 239 teams. Schedule strength was 186. Keep in mind that this was the year that Karcher's vaunted first recruiting class were seniors (or redshirt juniors). 171 vs. 178. Draw your own conclusions. eddantes you have got to be kidding me about going 7-4 and winning the Big South this season. We will be lucky to win three games this season if this play continues.  I am tired of the old excuse of it is a young team. He doesn't have his team ready to play against the better teams. There is no excuse for this mess that I have seen in the past 5 seasons. We should have been a much better team this season but every year it gets worse. Maybe the only highlights of Karcher's career was beating Hofstra at home. |
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Post by toolazytoregister on Sept 18, 2005 0:33:18 GMT -5
as much movement and changes dr. park has made since his arrival it would not surprise me if karcher has a bad year that he might pull the plug. Not likley... Karcher and Park are pretty close. Would have to be a mansion level decision with AL Williams buy-out money. |
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Post by bigsmooth on Sept 18, 2005 6:17:49 GMT -5
it does not matter how close they are....this is not the old LU. business is business. if we keep playing this bad and in front of 3,479 fans last night against YSU, he will be shown the door fast. LU has only hoops and football to make money(which they don't), and they are the most visible sports, so improvement is key here. right now being competitive is very important. right now i do not know if we could beat a top D-II team.
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Post by Bald Spot on Sept 18, 2005 7:41:16 GMT -5
Somehow, I'm feeling better about this year after seeing the Mighty Mtn Lions of Concord got their first win in four tries last night. Yes we can compete with the big boys in 1-A and Sagarin obviously doesn't know what he's talking about. Let's bring on Va Tech and UVA. Certainly William and Mary and JMU play them from time to time.
And now off to church for some serious conversations.
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Post by Sly Fox on Sept 18, 2005 8:03:21 GMT -5
This conversation hearkens back to similar discussions this time last fall when Karcher's contract was expiring.
I'm trying to let the all-consuming frustration from last night's beatdown ease so I can develop my thoughts with a clear mind. Because my emotions are raging right now. Last night was totally unacceptible. UConn on the road, I understand. Last night there was no excuse for how we played.
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Post by thesportscritic on Sept 18, 2005 8:37:37 GMT -5
Sly Fox you and me both. I sat throughout that beatdown at Williams Stadium having those exact type of emotions you had. There is no excuse for this mess.
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Post by PAmedic on Sept 18, 2005 10:20:05 GMT -5
Add to that William & Mary taking a tough one on the chin vs URI last night; we are in trouble next weekend as well.
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Post by eddantes on Sept 18, 2005 12:51:24 GMT -5
Fast fact: If and when Karcher loses his next game (hello, W&M), he will move into sole possession of second place on Liberty's all-time career losses column, surpassing former skipper Tom Dowling.
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Post by eddantes on Sept 24, 2005 14:45:07 GMT -5
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Post by jimflamesfan on Sept 24, 2005 14:57:10 GMT -5
The time has come...
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Post by lufbfan3 on Sept 24, 2005 15:18:12 GMT -5
Yes, I believe that it has.
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Post by ann on Sept 24, 2005 15:31:04 GMT -5
What is Karcher going to say Now? I have not been happy with what he has done so far...
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Post by ATrain on Sept 24, 2005 15:37:33 GMT -5
Outscored 157-0 in the last three games? FIRE KARCHER!!! I daresay Liberty Christian Academy could beat Liberty University in football.
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Post by lufbfan3 on Sept 24, 2005 15:47:43 GMT -5
lol that's because ROCCO was a good coach. He's gone, and I won't say why I think he's gone. (in addition to the fact that he is the head coach of a State Championship team)
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Post by ann on Sept 24, 2005 15:59:54 GMT -5
Oh how can you come back and actually score a point or two after these routs.. This is worse than I could of imagined..
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Post by eddantes on Sept 24, 2005 16:15:58 GMT -5
I heard that Rocco's gone because Karcher isn't...
(meaning, he was going to take the head position, until New Coke Karcher was re-signed)
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Post by jimflamesfan on Sept 24, 2005 16:28:41 GMT -5
Has Rocco left LCA? I'd still like to see the switch! If were talking new coach options, I would also be in favor of higher Seagraves I think was his name. Coached Elon right before the coach from E. Tenessee took over when they headed to the SoCon.
Seagraves (I think that was his name) was the coach at Elon when they didn't even have a football field...they played at a highschool, and he had some big wins (beat Furman). I like that wishbone style. He had about .500 teams in a small school with no facilities. Give him control of the LU program, and then the fact that you can narrow your recruiting (receivers not as important), I could see LU as sort of another "Richmond Spiders" type team that can suprise people.
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Post by LU Fans for a better coach on Sept 24, 2005 16:41:36 GMT -5
It takes a special man to lose games that badly. Give Karcher his money and get him out of dodge.
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Post by Stevev on Sept 24, 2005 18:29:05 GMT -5
Right now I am running out of things to say about these guys. If the AD had any brains in his head he would start searching right now for Karchers replacement and let Karcher go at mid-season. If we wait too late then it puts you behind in recruiting and we don't need that right now. The AD should not wait and let the conference games determine this guys fate. The time is definately come for a change. What is it going to take. The guy is just totally incompetent when it comes to running a program and coaching.
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Post by angry on Sept 24, 2005 18:29:58 GMT -5
What kind of coach is this man? LOUSY.. I agree he should get out of DODGE....
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