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Post by HarrisburgFlame on Mar 15, 2005 9:06:09 GMT -5
Maybe the Winthrop lurkers can help me here. There is something about that guy that just rubs me wrong. It's like he is too much into himself or something. Like he's his own biggest fan.
Somebody tell me differently.
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Post by WinthropEagleFan on Mar 15, 2005 10:51:29 GMT -5
I won't try and change your mind if you feel that way...most opposing fans seem to have the same outlook on him. Is he into himself? Yes, probably so, but I think most good coaches are to an extent.
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Post by Formerplayer on Mar 15, 2005 10:56:49 GMT -5
Coach Marshall is a good guy and he gets the most out of his team. If you watch his team takes his personality from the bench and applies it on the court. I thought he was arrogant but as I got to know him he's really a cool guy, maybe it was because I was close to transferring to WU I don't know. Even after I was done playing I ran into him and he was still a nice guy, I have nothing but respect for the guy. I agree with winthropfan, alot of coaches have that edge.
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Post by HarrisburgFlame on Mar 15, 2005 11:04:58 GMT -5
Actually I attended Randolph Macon's basketball camp and he was one of the coaches when I was there. I think it was 1984. I remember some of his teammates thought he was kind of his own biggest fan. Maybe it's just confidence. I remember he was a pretty good player.
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Post by SCAR on Mar 15, 2005 12:22:44 GMT -5
I happen to know Gregg personally (He was a coach at Macon when I played early in my career and he hired my former coach and boss Jeff Meyer as an assistant) and I know he has a huge ego but is really a nice guy. I remember the first time he ever lost a Big South Tournament game on a buzzer beater by Asheville 2 years ago and I ran into him in my hotel and his boosters were all sitting around like someone had died. He was there in the lounge talking to all the folks one on one and consoling them about the loss. I thought that was cool. I talk with him from time to time now since I am a tv announcer and he is always pleasant. Most people around LU can't stand him but I make my own mind up about people and he seems fine to me.
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Post by Realist on Mar 15, 2005 12:43:43 GMT -5
Marshall is just an intense, emotional guy. Sometimes to outsiders that comes across as grandstanding or arrogance. He also doesn't sugarcoat anything he says, so that also can anger some people. He angered some in the winthrop community early in the year stating that he thought the fan attendance was pathetic (something along those lines) considering what the team was accomplishing. Most coaches wouldn't go that far, but what he said was true. Seemed to work though as WU had the biggest crowds they have ever had this year.
The couple of times I've met him he seemed to be genuine and nice enough, he just has an intense competitive fire.
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Post by Sly Fox on Mar 15, 2005 13:16:45 GMT -5
Personally, I don't have feeling one way or the other about his personaility. I'd just like to see him gone from our league. There are openings all over the place after the annual Blood Monday following Selection Sunday. Hopefully he has his resume being overnighted as I type this.
BTW, good luck Eagles in the Dance. All kidding aside, it would be good for the entire Big South to see you guys gain some success. Look what Gonzaga's success has done for that entire league.
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Post by HarrisburgFlame on Mar 15, 2005 14:27:36 GMT -5
I'm pulling for Winthrop too. I feel kind of dirty about it but a WU win is good for the league.
Choke, Choke - Go eagles.
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Post by PittLU on Mar 15, 2005 17:30:20 GMT -5
The Eagles have a tough draw. Zags by 20.
Did you notice on Selection Sunday that they had a crew from CBS at Winthrop? That is HUGE for them.
I was listening to ESPN radio while Winthrop was pasting CSU. The guys on the show kept calling them the Butlers? Am I missing something? Do they have a duality to their logo as well?
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Post by V88 on Mar 15, 2005 17:46:15 GMT -5
I read an article about Marshall recently that described him as a more mature coach and person after going through the past couple of years. He said he would not leave Winthrop for a mid major program just for a pay raise. I don't know him personally but I think he has been good for the Big South. I saw him on tv the other night and I thought he represented himself, Winthrop, and the conference very well. I also learned that he is a baseball fan (Red Sox).
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Post by Stevev on Mar 15, 2005 19:16:46 GMT -5
Even though I hate the Big South I am still pulling for Winthrop. I was very impressed with they're play when I got a chance to see them especially defensively. I think that they have a chance to beat Gonzaga or at least give them a good game. They pretty much dominated the Big South and beat some good competition especially Providence College. I would think that coach Marshall is getting some offers from major conference programs who are looking to fill vacancies (3 coaches were fired yesterday). So all I can say is good luck to Winthrop. I hope they take advantage of this opportunity because they are certainly deserving of it.
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Post by PittLU on Mar 15, 2005 21:26:28 GMT -5
Providence was a bottom feeder in the Big East this year - so that is not really a feather in Winthrop's cap. I am still rooting for them, but even WinthropEagleFan would say that just staying competitive with the Zags would be huge. Good luck to Winthrop anyway.
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Post by WinthropEagleFan on Mar 16, 2005 8:40:36 GMT -5
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Post by Sly Fox on Mar 16, 2005 9:21:39 GMT -5
Thanks for the link. But iw as hoping it was a link to a story about some school interested in hiring him.
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Post by Realist on Mar 16, 2005 13:53:19 GMT -5
Answers: No duality to the logo, I guess the radio announcer was making a bad joke.
Marshall has pretty much drilled it home he won't leave unless it's a major job. Most mid-majors won't be able to offer much more money than he already makes, and he would be rebuilding a program instead of keeping this momentum going. The one job that concerns me right now is the UT job. They interviewed him the first go round when Peterson got it. I would imagine they would call back now. UVA wants a big name, ECU just hired someone (though he wouldn't have gone there anyway) so the UT job is really the only thing out there to worry about right now. I think he stays unless someone just throws some lucrative money at him.
Winthrop matches up very, very well with Gonzaga. They are very confident about playing them. There is actually a site that groups all the teams in the NCAA with schools that they are most alike on the court.......Zaga is most like Providence.......Winthrop is most like Missouri and San Francisco....two schools the Zags lost to. It will definitely take a very good performance to win, but I think they will keep it close, and I hope they have a shot to win it at the end. They will have to contain Turiaf, Morrison will get his points.
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Post by Sly Fox on Mar 16, 2005 16:11:45 GMT -5
ECU hired Ricky Stokes who was still feeling the pain of his disappointing tenure at VaTech.
Careful with the UT name drops. That's the Tennessee Volunteers and not the real UT. Rick Barnes isn't going anywhere despite ACC elitists who think UVa is a better gig than where he is in Austin.
I could see Marshall heading to Knoxville if they can't attract a big name coach. The Vols can throw mad money at coaches. But competing in the SEC is a tough assignment.
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Post by Realist on Mar 16, 2005 17:45:59 GMT -5
Haha, I forgot there was a contingent of Texas guys on here, or at least a couple. But I would agree, that's the real UT. In charlotte, you'll hear more UT for the vols.
I would agree on Barnes as well. Texas is solid program and he's getting the same caliber of recruits he would if he was at UVA. Plus he's in another top conference where he isn't middle on the totem pole for getting recruits like UVA in the ACC.
Would Marshall go to the imposter UT? I would think so. They have money and will use it. And the SEC has been down of late, he could resurrect that program pretty fast if he really is the real deal. I don't think they will have him high on the list though. They went with a similar story in Peterson and it didn't pan out. They are going to think they have the money and name to pull a big one. Maybe they will, I hope so.
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Post by Jacksparrow81 on Mar 16, 2005 20:12:05 GMT -5
hahahaha i hate when people say UT here in Texas. I was raised to cringe everytime that word was said (I grew up in fl and their rival with tenn, then i get here and everyone is texas is like ut thi and ut that. on another subject i think its a crime texas got let into the tourny, they were a bubble team at the ened of the year then lose the 1st rouind of the big 12. St josephs deserved a spot over them or maryland
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Post by Sly Fox on Mar 16, 2005 20:17:13 GMT -5
Ease up, jack. I understand your questioning the validity of the Horns' bid. But St. Joes? Come on.
Actually, Barnes has a much better recruiting base to work with down here in Texas than he would in the crowded Mid-Atlantic region. Dallas & Houston produce some of the top talent in the nation each year over the past decade.
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Post by FireHouseRocks on Mar 17, 2005 3:52:45 GMT -5
Sorry, don't have anything to add to the Texas conversation.
As for Marshall... he is a good coach but he must be a bad interview. That is the only way I can explain him not getting a bigger job with all the success he has had. I have heard his name mentioned with several openings but nothing ever materializes after he talks to their administration.
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Post by FireHouseRocks on Mar 17, 2005 3:56:56 GMT -5
One other thing.... SCAR, you are close with Meyer... what is his opinion of Marshall now... there were some times when it seamed like Marshall disrespected him publicly when he was an assistant. I remember one specific incident in the Vines that made my skin crawl. I felt bad for Jeff.
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Post by PAmedic on Mar 17, 2005 11:05:57 GMT -5
unless you're Bobby Knight- its hard to market ego!
*EDIT: of course, my motto is: "it ain't braggin if you can back it up"*#nosmileys
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Post by SCAR on Mar 18, 2005 17:41:50 GMT -5
Firehouse to answer your question about Meyer, he is ecstatic that Gregg is having the success he is having. In fact Marshall credits Meyer with helping him win and cope with the pressures of tournament play back in the early days of his coaching career at Winthrop. They are still close. The 2 coaches talk nearly every week still....Marshall has been close on a number of jobs recently. I don't think he is a bad interviewer. I think he is just up against some serious competition for the jobs. His day is coming soon I think especially since they almost beat Gonzaga. Maybe Winthrop will look towards Meyer or current assistant Randy Peele if Marshall leaves. Remember Peele was head coach at UNCG when they were in the Big South and he won it all against us in 1996.
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Post by Sly Fox on Mar 18, 2005 23:39:34 GMT -5
Scar --- Is Jeff feeling the heat there in Columbia? I hear Quin is on even shakier ground than ever. If an opportunity arises this offseason I'm guessing Jeff is bolting Mizzou as fast as possible.
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Post by V88 on Mar 19, 2005 10:24:20 GMT -5
Scar may have more information about this, but I thought Snyder was given a vote of confidence during the season by the Ad and the President(I know, sometimes that can mean the end is near). I think now that they have some of the problems behind them he's in good shape for next season. I hope so, because I think Meyer is in a good situation at Missouri although I would love to see him get another shot at a head coaching job. I think its great to see Meyer have the success he's had since leaving LU. I have to admit, it would be interesting to see him at Winthrop.
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Post by Sly Fox on Mar 19, 2005 10:55:26 GMT -5
The vote of confidence was prior to their embarassing Big 12 league results. Quin continues to recruit terrific talent and he can't seem to get anything out of them once they arrive on campus. And while he may have escaped termination initially he hasn't completely been able to shed all the slime from his days before Jeff arrived on campus. So he's on super-duper probation. And I continue to hear whispers down here about some of his recruiting tactics. I just hate to see Jeff have his rep tainted by his slimeball boss.
(*** All of the above is based on hearsay and personal opinion and should not be construed as anything else ***)
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Post by SCAR on Mar 19, 2005 14:35:38 GMT -5
Sly, V88,
I don't think Quinn Snyder is in that much jeopardy but I could be wrong. They seem to think that they will be there for a few years. They will only lose Jason Conley so Mizzou is expected to be good within the next couple of years. The big attraction for Mizzou is their new building and playing in the Big 12. The downer is they can't recruit off campus so no home visits. I think Jeff will get another shot at a head job at a mid major maybe someday. He had a chance to go to Ohio St when O'Brien got the ax and Thad Matta from Butler/Xavier got the job but he had already committed to Mizzou.
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Post by Guest on Mar 20, 2005 14:25:19 GMT -5
Jeff as a HC again? I would hope he would get a chance at Winthrop. That means we wouldn't have to worry about them anymore. Jeff is not a good HC. Heck, when Peter Aluma was here, he let Peter coach the team because he was afraid to make him mad. Peter got worse EVERY year becuse Jeff wouldn't make him work hard and perform. I am not a Randy Dunton fan, but the success Jeff had was due in large part to Randy's recruiting ability. Thew best thing to happen to LU is to get a new, high-profile mens coach.
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Post by V88 on Mar 20, 2005 18:50:32 GMT -5
I may be missing something here but are there any high profile coaches in the Big South? Let's see...Marshall, Dunton, Lundy, Samuels....No can't think of any high profile names coaching in the Big South. I wonder if that's because high profile coaches aren't looking at the Big South for their next career move.
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Post by Guest on Mar 20, 2005 20:41:41 GMT -5
Maybe I am missing something. Liberty has hired a few high-profile coaches in other sports ie. Al Worthington, Bobby Richardson, Sam Ritigliano. As some have already stated in other threads, Liberty is in a unique sitation to recruit nationally and I would say they are also in a unique situation to hire a high-profile type of coach. On a related note, I have read many posts today that put down the Big South Conference and/or blame it for our in abilites to excel athletically. While I am not a fan of the BS at all (I believe the new format for the basketball tournament is a disaster), I think that until we totally dominate in almost every faction of the conference, this is only an excuse or sour grapes. So far we haven't proved we can compete with most other conferences, at least in the major sports. Hopefully the new AD will help in this area.
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