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Post by LUconn on Nov 10, 2005 12:59:28 GMT -5
As much as we like to make fun of Winthrop fans thinking their program is big time, I think we all have to realize that the public does pay attention and recognize all 65 teams that make the tournament. I was just on a Maryland board. One of them had started a thread about the Liberty Way and they were just ripping on it. Anyway, while some of them questioned "didn't we play them a few years ago?", despite the fact that it was only last year, most of them mentioned that they remembered we made the tournament recently. So if we can make this a regular thing, much like Winthrop has, the public will notice. And that can only help us. I figured casual fans can't remember who a lowly 16 seed was. Just my thought for the day. (I only have 1 per day)
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Post by Meg Ryan Makes me happy on Nov 10, 2005 14:54:05 GMT -5
Plus the fact that Jerry still runs the school gives it a higher profile than most, and wether you like it or not the school is growig out of the "little christian" school ideal... and is becoming a legit private instatution.
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Post by PAmedic on Nov 10, 2005 15:22:46 GMT -5
little Christian school w/ 9000 student on campus makes it not so little. All we have to do (!) is start performing on the field/court to back it up.
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Post by Sly Fox on Nov 10, 2005 20:46:00 GMT -5
Meg Ryan - You have to be one of us old hags to use that name.
I agree to a certain extent, LUconn. Some remember Tourney entrants and others don't. Now beating them will etch our school's name in their memory banks for a much longer period of time.
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Post by CrazyGame27 on Nov 11, 2005 9:46:20 GMT -5
Liberty will always be in the light somehow with Falwell still running the school. He's etched his legacy on the University and to a lesser extent, Lynchburg.
As the school continues to grow and will soon reach over 15k+ in the next 10 or so years, Liberty should be able to field a very competitive team each and every year. Once our football program goes D1, me thinks we'll eventually grow out of the Big South. I don't think our program will ever be the status of most ACC schools because of the values and lifestyles we're forced to live by here in Lynchburg (don't get me wrong - I enjoy them. I wouldn't be here if I didn't, forced may not have been the right terminology..) but lets face it, when we're recruiting a high-level prospect, the idea of curfew and such rules aren't exactly appealing to the modern-day prospect.
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Post by ATrain on Nov 12, 2005 13:18:30 GMT -5
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Post by Sly Fox on Nov 12, 2005 20:22:49 GMT -5
Look at you, ATrain. You just may be joining the Realist cult.
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Post by ATrain on Nov 12, 2005 22:42:24 GMT -5
LOL Yep...I'm coming "out" I'm a major fan of Winthrop basketball after the Big South Tourney, and we can't forget their undefeated football team, which the selection committee snubs every year for not playing anyone,, LOL
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Post by Realist too lazy to log in on Nov 13, 2005 1:50:17 GMT -5
Hey, would you prefer no football team or an embarassment?
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Post by ATrain on Nov 13, 2005 10:59:29 GMT -5
I think every school has an embarassing season every now and then...this just unfortunately happens to be ours. Things will get better in that regard.
Now back to basketball...
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Post by PAmedic on Nov 13, 2005 10:59:49 GMT -5
Actually prefer the embarressment, to be totally honest. You can't think college or NCAA w/out football, dude- it's the REAL national pastime.
w/out it, ya might as well be a community college.
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Post by Realist too lazy to log in on Nov 13, 2005 11:24:17 GMT -5
You're basically playing community college football at D1aa. Like I've said before, if you can't compete at the top level, why compete at all. You could be bolstering your other programs, notably basketball, where you have the chance to gain some real attention on the top level, rather than sinking it into D1aa football which no one outside of schools that participate in it care about.
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Post by Sly Fox on Nov 13, 2005 13:11:16 GMT -5
We don't intend to be I-AA forever. But it serves its purpose right now.
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Post by PAmedic on Nov 13, 2005 19:16:11 GMT -5
You're basically playing community college football at D1aa. Like I've said before, if you can't compete at the top level, why compete at all. You could be bolstering your other programs, notably basketball, where you have the chance to gain some real attention on the top level, rather than sinking it into D1aa football which no one outside of schools that participate in it care about. tell JMU, App St, Lehigh, Delaware et al that they're just community colleges and should aspire to the dizzing heights that WINTHROP has attained! ROTFLMbuttO
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Post by Realist too lazy to log in on Nov 13, 2005 19:23:42 GMT -5
Are you serious? What have they done? App state? It's just a hippee school.
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Post by PAmedic on Nov 13, 2005 19:24:51 GMT -5
hippee school! now that's funny! (you're right though)
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Post by PAmedic on Nov 13, 2005 19:28:08 GMT -5
all the same- I'm sure even your Board of Directors/Regents/whatever would agree that at SOME point you need to add FB to be taken seriously as a NCAA D1 school. MBB is great and you guys are stepping forward as a perennial power in the BSOUTH, but that is never gonna put you in the same light as the big boys. ya gotta round out the whole deal with a complete sports program. End of argument
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Post by Realist too lazy to log in on Nov 13, 2005 19:38:39 GMT -5
Maybe. But unless it's a D1 no added A's---I wouldn't be for it. Cuts too much into other sports that can be built up. Plus men's basketball will get you far more recognition and money than D1aa football if you are successful. That's where the money should be spent.
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Post by LUconn on Nov 13, 2005 20:30:33 GMT -5
I don't think we're in the position where our football team is hurting any other program financially. We seem to come up with a lot of money from time to time.
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Post by Realist too lazy to log in on Nov 13, 2005 20:47:17 GMT -5
Maybe not, but didn't Dunton say something in a post about the amount of money some teams are putting into their programs. Seemed to imply that he was getting the same amount.
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Post by Realist too lazy to log in on Nov 13, 2005 20:47:55 GMT -5
wasn't***
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Post by ATrain on Nov 13, 2005 22:28:14 GMT -5
Ok, maybe Dunton isn't paid as nicely as the football coach (though he deserves double of what Karcher makes), but I'm pretty sure its competitive with what some other DI schools without football offer
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Post by PAmedic on Nov 14, 2005 6:46:15 GMT -5
Plus men's basketball will get you far more recognition and money than D1aa football if you are successful. that may be the single most unsubstantiated load of krud I've ever heard. there isn't a chance in the world that BBall outdraws OR outpays FB- whether you like that fact or not. Otherwise FSU, Penn St and USC would cancel FB and recruit only hoops stars! Come' on man- your team has every right to be proud, but your supposed to be the "REALIST" here. Put down the bong!
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Post by PAmedic on Nov 14, 2005 6:46:52 GMT -5
forgot to add Texas to that list: sorry SLY!
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Post by WinthropEagleFan on Nov 14, 2005 7:10:35 GMT -5
Plus men's basketball will get you far more recognition and money than D1aa football if you are successful. that may be the single most unsubstantiated load of krud I've ever heard. there isn't a chance in the world that BBall outdraws OR outpays FB- whether you like that fact or not. Otherwise FSU, Penn St and USC would cancel FB and recruit only hoops stars! Come' on man- your team has every right to be proud, but your supposed to be the "REALIST" here. Put down the bong! Realist did make sure to say I-AA football, not football in general. There's a big difference between the FSU's of the world and New Hampshire.
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Post by PAmedic on Nov 14, 2005 7:15:07 GMT -5
good point, and well-taken. WEF continues to be the voice of reason on here!
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Post by realist on Nov 14, 2005 8:37:52 GMT -5
Medic, you're right if talking about a BCS conference, but WEF got the meaning, D1aa
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Post by Sly Fox on Nov 14, 2005 11:22:40 GMT -5
At Texas they're #2 right now in both football & basketball polls. Its not a football school or a basketball school ... they dominate in all the major sports.
Hook Em
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Post by HarrisburgFlame on Nov 14, 2005 12:14:11 GMT -5
Sly:
I think I'm going to hurl...let me say this and then you can slam me...
even though Texas is ranked #2 in basketball this year I don't think you can group Texas in as a traditional basketball power the likes of UNC, Duke, etc. I think UT is and will always be a football school that plays basketball. As far as tradition goes - doesn't the University of Houston have a better basketball tradition than any of the Texas schools?
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Post by Sly Fox on Nov 14, 2005 12:24:17 GMT -5
The University of Houston has a better basketball tradition than all but a small handful of schools in college basketball.
As for UT, you better recognize because the Horns are a powerhouse who isn't going anywhere. For the first time since the Early 80s when Guy V. Lewis was running the show at UH, kids in the State of Texas are staying here instead of stocking the Big Ten, SEC & ACC like they did for years. And now Texas is picking up the major national recruits as well.
Barnes is an unbelievable coach who won't leave Texas for any other job.
Consoider this thread completely hijacked.
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