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Post by ATrain on May 25, 2005 13:30:55 GMT -5
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Post by Sly Fox on May 25, 2005 20:58:06 GMT -5
I guess the opportunity to move up a seat on the bench was attractive enough to leave. Otherwise, it doesn't make sense. I guess the Spiders must be paying assistants more than they used to.
Bottom line, we'll be just fine. I'm sure there will be plenty of folks anxious to join the staff of a Sweet 16 squad.
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Post by SCAR on May 26, 2005 7:30:57 GMT -5
I know Chris and his wife Leigh (she works in the Men's office) pretty well and it seems to make perfect sense to me. Chris wants to be a head coach sooner rather than later and quite honestly he is capable of getting a high major to major job in the next 5 years with this move. Leaving Liberty now at the Apex of it's program's success is smart. They will not be in the sweet 16 again next season or for a while more than likely. Things just don't work out that way. Richmond pays a lot more than Liberty Sly. The new men's coach got half a million I think. They left the CAA so they could take that step up to be a major especially in Men's and Women's hoops. They are still 1AA in football but they are pretty solid there too. Remember Richmond beat Kansas at Kansas last year in men's hoops. It is definitely a step up. Plus living in Richmond is not much more expensive than living in Lynchburg but having been here in Richmond for the past 2 months working, I can tell you that this city blows Lynchburg away. It is much like Northern, VA. Lots of things to do. Great move all around in my opinion. The Carroll family will be missed in Lynchburg. They brought a lot to the community.
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Post by Sly Fox on May 26, 2005 8:25:35 GMT -5
The fact that Richmond pays well really comes as a surprise to me. They don't have a huge alumni base and no big television contract to add additional revenue to the coffers.
If they are paying their new mens coach that much jack, they must be much more serious about things than I thought.
If being a head coach is Chris' ultimate goal, you have to make the move at some point and now is as good of a time as any.
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Post by El Scorcho on May 26, 2005 20:15:47 GMT -5
The fact that Richmond pays well really comes as a surprise to me. Notice that he didn't say Richmond pays well. He said they pay a lot more than Liberty. That can be said for almost any other employer in the world about every position the school has. ;D |
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Post by Sly Fox on May 27, 2005 9:09:05 GMT -5
Being on the LU payroll, I'm guessing you know firsthand about the frugality of the school, el scorcho.  But paying a mens coach a cool mil is pretty impressive for any school ... much less a small private school playing in the CAA. |
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Post by SCAR on May 27, 2005 10:07:59 GMT -5
For the record Sly, I said half a mil. That is still an aweful lot of cash but remember they are in the Atlantic 10 now so more money is being thrown into taking the athletic program to that next level that folks talk about all the time.
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Post by JackSparrow81 on May 27, 2005 13:32:18 GMT -5
What is a ballpark figure of the salary for a athletic recruitor at LU?
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Post by Sly Fox on May 27, 2005 14:59:30 GMT -5
I'm guessing assistants at LU aren't buying beachfront condos in Bermuda for summer getaways.
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Post by Guest on May 29, 2005 15:45:48 GMT -5
"They will not be in the sweet 16 again next season or for a while more than likely. "
Just because the team is young coming up this year doesn't mean they wont do anything this year coming up. This team is going to build off of what they did this past year. Have a little faith in our team. The women's team is far better than the men's team. Young teams have been successful before in the past. You never know what they are going to do this year coming up.
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Post by Guest on May 29, 2005 15:49:54 GMT -5
This team next year will most likely be a full court team and i like that style much better than the half court style. This team will have a lot of speed next season and that is something we have lacked in the past several seasons. It will be a more exciting style of play next season I believe.
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Post by SCAR on May 30, 2005 11:14:31 GMT -5
Guest,
don't confuse having a realistic viewpoint with not being supportive of the team or even thinking that they are going to be good. It took this program 9 tries to win 1 game in the highly competitive NCAA's. You are losing a division 1 all-american and a 6-8 player to raritys in womens basketball at this level. There are many major programs that would not dare count themselves in the sweet 16 for next year but you expect Liberty to be there again. Even if next year's team is better than this year's team the odds of making it that far are slim for a mid major program. That is why it is such a big deal when mid majors do survive the 1st weekend in men's or women's. I hope they get back there just as much as anyone else but you can't just expect that to happen every year.
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Post by FireHouseRocks on May 30, 2005 17:06:43 GMT -5
I guess the opportunity to move up a seat on the bench was attractive enough to leave. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but he was the #1 assistant at LU too, so he really isn't moving up a seat just getting more $ in a better conference. |
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Post by Guest on May 30, 2005 22:03:03 GMT -5
Guest, don't confuse having a realistic viewpoint with not being supportive of the team or even thinking that they are going to be good. It took this program 9 tries to win 1 game in the highly competitive NCAA's. You are losing a division 1 all-american and a 6-8 player to raritys in womens basketball at this level. There are many major programs that would not dare count themselves in the sweet 16 for next year but you expect Liberty to be there again. Even if next year's team is better than this year's team the odds of making it that far are slim for a mid major program. That is why it is such a big deal when mid majors do survive the 1st weekend in men's or women's. I hope they get back there just as much as anyone else but you can't just expect that to happen every year. Scar We have lacked speed over the last 9 years and that is something I believe that will change next year. I have never seen you at a women's basketball game except the times you have brocasted with Jarod after the loss to High Point and in the first round of the Big South Tournament WBB. We may have lost an all american but she was slow and the majority of the seniors didn't have the greatest speed. Maybe you should think big sometimes instead of limiting the team to what they could possibly do next season. Hey they may shock us next year. Look what Baylor did starting a couple of years ago and now look where they are at now. And really none of the teams in the past nine years didn't have speed. |
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Post by Guest on May 30, 2005 22:09:34 GMT -5
Guest, don't confuse having a realistic viewpoint with not being supportive of the team or even thinking that they are going to be good. It took this program 9 tries to win 1 game in the highly competitive NCAA's. You are losing a division 1 all-american and a 6-8 player to raritys in womens basketball at this level. There are many major programs that would not dare count themselves in the sweet 16 for next year but you expect Liberty to be there again. Even if next year's team is better than this year's team the odds of making it that far are slim for a mid major program. That is why it is such a big deal when mid majors do survive the 1st weekend in men's or women's. I hope they get back there just as much as anyone else but you can't just expect that to happen every year. I really think that the women's basketball team will want to get back there next year and in the future. I really believe they will be motivated to work hard and come back a stronger team in the fall. I will be interested to see who steps up and if they find their roles quickly then watch out. If they play up to their level and not down to the level of their opponent depending on who we are playing. The style of play I think will change next year and I think it will be one of the more exciting styles. |
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Post by Guest on May 30, 2005 22:10:29 GMT -5
Guest, don't confuse having a realistic viewpoint with not being supportive of the team or even thinking that they are going to be good. It took this program 9 tries to win 1 game in the highly competitive NCAA's. You are losing a division 1 all-american and a 6-8 player to raritys in womens basketball at this level. There are many major programs that would not dare count themselves in the sweet 16 for next year but you expect Liberty to be there again. Even if next year's team is better than this year's team the odds of making it that far are slim for a mid major program. That is why it is such a big deal when mid majors do survive the 1st weekend in men's or women's. I hope they get back there just as much as anyone else but you can't just expect that to happen every year. and hopefully we will eat up the doubters first. |
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Post by Formerplayer on May 31, 2005 10:22:48 GMT -5
I agree with Scar we should just really enjoy what happen this past season because the likelyhood of us doing it again anytime in the near future is slim to none. I predict us having a difficult time winning the Big South next year and if we do we will be done opening weekend. I support LU, hell I played there but you have to be realistic guest.
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Post by SCAR on May 31, 2005 10:32:48 GMT -5
I think all of us that have played at the division 1 level can understand the difficulty of winning games at that level during pre-season, regular season and post season. We also have a better appreciation for what the girls truly accomplished. I would love to get on here and tell you that I think we will get to the sweet 16 every year but as Former Player said, we may struggle to win the Big South next year. You don't lose a Tharp, Rima, Daina and Katie and pick up where you left off. Even bigger named schools sometimes need a couple of years to get back to where they were when a senior class graduates and takes all the scoring and experience with them. Again, I support the women's team but I want to be fair to them too and not put that kind of pressure to reach an almost unattainable goal.
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Post by Guest on May 31, 2005 11:05:59 GMT -5
I think all of us that have played at the division 1 level can understand the difficulty of winning games at that level during pre-season, regular season and post season. We also have a better appreciation for what the girls truly accomplished. I would love to get on here and tell you that I think we will get to the sweet 16 every year but as Former Player said, we may struggle to win the Big South next year. You don't lose a Tharp, Rima, Daina and Katie and pick up where you left off. Even bigger named schools sometimes need a couple of years to get back to where they were when a senior class graduates and takes all the scoring and experience with them. Again, I support the women's team but I want to be fair to them too and not put that kind of pressure to reach an almost unattainable goal. I am not saying it will be easy to replace those players but you never know what could happen next season. They have nothing to lose because there are lots of people doubting them for next year. It sounds like on your other posts that you think it will take forever for the girls to get back to what they accomplished this year. Now I haven't seen you ever at a women's game except for after we lost to high point. Just because we don't have 6'8 girl doesn't mean we won't win next year. But we have lacked speed in the past seasons. I still believe they will be motivated in the off season. Again you never know what could happen. When I make sports predictions I am hardly wrong. We still need to prove ourselves next season that this wasn't a fluke. If we don't win next year then people will call what we did this past season a fluke. I have never seen you support this team except after the loss to High Point. So hopefully that will change on your part next year. I go to all of the women's home games. |
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Post by Guest on May 31, 2005 11:07:11 GMT -5
The key word on your response is "may struggle" meaning that it may not happen. Scar
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Post by Guest on May 31, 2005 11:08:36 GMT -5
Former player,
you don't have to use the word hell the way you did. Good for you that you support LU.
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Post by Guest on May 31, 2005 11:24:21 GMT -5
I am very happy that the women's basketball team went as far as they did. It opens a lot of doors when your team goes as far as this team went.
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Post by Realist on May 31, 2005 12:21:18 GMT -5
Man you guys have a real superfan #1 for girls b-ball.
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Post by Guest on May 31, 2005 13:55:26 GMT -5
I love debating about sports. I just wanted to let those know that I am not mad at anybody Scar and friends. I love talking about sports so this will be fun.
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Post by Guest on May 31, 2005 13:57:26 GMT -5
Man you guys have a real superfan #1 for girls b-ball. realist who are you referring to is me or someone else? Just curious. |
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Post by SCAR on May 31, 2005 14:04:58 GMT -5
Ok Guest, I will take the bait . I went to quite a few games this season. Just because you don't see me doesn't mean I am not there. I figure I must know you because you sound like you know me and not from FTN. I watched a few times from the control room. I must say that I missed a some games just because they were not announced well enough or I would plan on going and Seinfeld would be on ;D. Ok, really, I love the girls team. I am a big Rima fan. I saw her and spoke to her in LaHaye yesterday in fact. Sadly she is going back home for good. My only point is that it is hard to rebuild any team and repeat any success. The more you achieve, the bigger target you are and the more pressure is on the new players. Chemistry and talent and unselfishness are just a few ingredients needed to do what our girls did this year. And truthfully if they had gotten a 15 or 16 seed they would have gone out early like all the preceding teams. Again, I support Carey Green and the Lady Flames. I have lobbied to do some of their games on TV (believe me not for the money or exposure) because I enjoy being around the team. A great bunch of talented young people....I hope you are right Guest but I don't think you are. |
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Post by SCAR on May 31, 2005 14:11:28 GMT -5
One more thing Guest. You know I support the team when I do a Winthrop game for free on the radio and we win by 1000 points and I come back and do the same thing a week later for the 1st round of the BSCTournament! I think we won that game by 800.
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Post by Guest on May 31, 2005 14:34:57 GMT -5
Ok Guest, I will take the bait . I went to quite a few games this season. Just because you don't see me doesn't mean I am not there. I figure I must know you because you sound like you know me and not from FTN. I watched a few times from the control room. I must say that I missed a some games just because they were not announced well enough or I would plan on going and Seinfeld would be on ;D. Ok, really, I love the girls team. I am a big Rima fan. I saw her and spoke to her in LaHaye yesterday in fact. Sadly she is going back home for good. My only point is that it is hard to rebuild any team and repeat any success. The more you achieve, the bigger target you are and the more pressure is on the new players. Chemistry and talent and unselfishness are just a few ingredients needed to do what our girls did this year. And truthfully if they had gotten a 15 or 16 seed they would have gone out early like all the preceding teams. Again, I support Carey Green and the Lady Flames. I have lobbied to do some of their games on TV (believe me not for the money or exposure) because I enjoy being around the team. A great bunch of talented young people....I hope you are right Guest but I don't think you are. I don't know you as a person but I know what you look like and I can see in a crowd of thousands of people at the men's game but unfortunately I can see people at a game where there are only a few hundred people. Good for you that you see a game or two in the control room. I wish you would do more games on the women's side because Ray doesn't know what he is talking about when it comes to basketball (my opinion). You know what you are talking about. It is good that we are a target because we just raised the bar once again this past season. Like I said earlier when i make a sports prediction, I am hardly wrong. I am every once in a while but not very often. Well we didn't get a 15 or a 16 seed now did we? NO. Leadership is a key to a team as well. And I was right on several things on the men's and women's tournament including Liberty going to the sweet 16 this past year. |
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Post by Guest on May 31, 2005 14:36:07 GMT -5
One more thing Guest. You know I support the team when I do a Winthrop game for free on the radio and we win by 1000 points and I come back and do the same thing a week later for the 1st round of the BSCTournament! I think we won that game by 800. I never mentioned the issue of money and brocasting. |
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Post by PAmedic on May 31, 2005 15:53:12 GMT -5
As the resident paramedic on the board, I advise you- guest- to watch your blood pressure. You may end up having a stroke and we'd have no one to support the ladies so fanatically. By the way- I agree that the womens' team is largely under appreciated on campus- we have morons supporting a men's team that has been historically insignificant while ignoring a very successful womens' program.
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