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Post by Sly Fox on Nov 23, 2005 18:26:53 GMT -5
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Post by ATrain on Nov 23, 2005 19:09:40 GMT -5
I would not mind a little Bowden coaching us...it'd at least give us a name, thats for sure.
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Post by Sly Fox on Nov 23, 2005 19:11:11 GMT -5
You have to love the passion those 'Noles have for their program ... even if it translates into venom toward Jeff Bowden.
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Post by tallyw on Nov 23, 2005 22:07:09 GMT -5
I'm impressed to see the generally kind view of Liberty. I honestly expected for the Doc to get some greif.
Most people were generally sympathetic with our program (while seeing hope for their program). Impressive.
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Post by notatmydesk on Nov 23, 2005 23:21:46 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind Bowden Jr., either. He gives us a name and he is young. I'd be VERY happy with that. (this is jimflamesfan...on another computer - too lazy to log in).
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Post by nolefan on Nov 27, 2005 0:18:39 GMT -5
Take him. We had to live though him the last 5 seasons. I say the last 5 because Mark Richt was gone soon after our championship in '00. He might be able to coach at your level that he can at the Divisoin I level. He is not division 1 material. Florida State needs a new change, new ideas. He would be a great addition to your program and help you gain some prestige under the bowdwn name, but for FSU, they have higher standards and jeffy can't meet FSU standards. I'm a die hard nole fan and I found out this place from warchant.com. I'm a paid subscriber.
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Post by Sly Fox on Nov 27, 2005 9:05:12 GMT -5
Welcome to our board, nolefan. Other than rumors around campus, we have no substantial evidence that Jeff is being interviewed for our opening. It would make perfect sense for both the school and Bobby's youngest boy. But its still speculation at this point.
And you aren't the only program unhappy with its offensive coordinator, take a stroll over to 2nd-ranked Texas' boards sometime. Greg Davis may be even more villified than Jeff.
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Post by Warchant Broker on Nov 27, 2005 10:59:59 GMT -5
There is a possability that Jeff Bowden could become a decent 2A college coach. He certainly has a background that lends itself for development if he is put on the right level playing ground. It was more his fathers (and mothers) fault that Jeff has not succeeded here at FSU. It was BB that elevated Jeff into a position that he was not qualified to do. It's called the Peter principle. The Bowden family is a very nice and well respected family and any member of it would fit right in with a fine Christian environment like yours
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Post by PAmedic on Nov 27, 2005 12:49:54 GMT -5
1AA, but we got the point. and thanks for the props about our environement- we are attempting to add WINNING FOOTBALL TRADITION to that moniker as well.
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Post by baldspot on Nov 27, 2005 13:02:29 GMT -5
Sounds like we could get FSU to pay part of Bowden's salary for us to take him off their hands ala Jim Thome to the White Sox along with $20 million.
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Post by Sly Fox on Nov 27, 2005 19:49:09 GMT -5
Dream on, baldspot. But I bet they would be willing to let Jeff walk from his current contract without a buyout if an opportunity arose in Lynchburg.
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Post by nolepaul23 on Nov 27, 2005 22:52:02 GMT -5
Jeff would be perfect for you..please do us a favor and give him a job.
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Post by Sly Fox on Nov 28, 2005 1:18:08 GMT -5
OK, we get the idea that you Nole fans are anxious to see Jeff's career expand with a golden opportunity to be a head coach at Liberty.  Let's hope this avenue has at least be explored in our search. Because this idea intrigues me more & more. |
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Post by HarrisburgFlame on Nov 28, 2005 8:08:46 GMT -5
Jeff Bowden - NO. That guy has done less with more talent than most of his opponents. We all agreed it was time for Coach K to move on - but get someone better as a replacement. Karcher is a better coach than Jeff Bowden, Bob Christmas, and Frank Rocco - no doubt in my mind. Please don't mess this one up Jerry!
Best regards,
Morgan Hout
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Post by LUconn on Nov 28, 2005 9:31:20 GMT -5
Well, maybe it'd be like Pete Carrol. Can't make it in the NFL (although I thought he did a decent job) but apparently a good College coach. Maybe Jeff couldn't make it in A so he'd be a good AA coach.
Of course the big concern right now is that he apparently isn't even making it as an assistant coach right now. I think maybe we should look elsewhere instead of a "name". Heck, lets get somebody good and make him legally change his last name to Lombardi.
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Post by HarrisburgFlame on Nov 28, 2005 9:48:15 GMT -5
Good one LUconn - Lombardi - I like that.
I'm not buying the can't coach on the 1A level so he might be a good 1-AA coach. Guys I can tell you from my experience - there are only so many ways to line up 11 guys on O and D. My last year in coaching (2002) we installed the Marshall U spread O. we went out to Marshall for a week worked with the coaches - hit every spread O speaking seesion we could, connected with all of our contacts to build as much knowledge on the spread package as we could. I watched more tapes and game film on the spread than I care to remember. In the end we ran Marshall's O - right down to the audibles system. My point is - even though we were a Division 3 school - we were doing the same things D-1 schools were doing. So...
Jeff Bowden has all that speed down there and they are scoring about 20 points a game and the O has tanked from the day he took over until now. I bet I could call plays with his people and do every bit as good as he has. When FSU played Miami - he was attacking the same 4-3 cover 2 (about 80% of the time) that we attacked when I coached D-3 ball. Ask any coach and he can tell you how to break down cover 2 and how to attack that package. We ran the Miami 4-3 as well - just didn't haven't the guys up front (2 stud DT's) to make it work - but I can tell you how to beat it.
My concern is - if he can't score points with the speed and athletes FSU has - what in the world is he going to do at LU? Both teams play with 11 and you can only line them up so many ways - if the guy can't coach at D-1, chances are he can't coach period.
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Post by bigsmooth on Nov 28, 2005 10:04:32 GMT -5
i concur with HF. bowden has the athletes and they are just not scoring. FSU's offense has gotten worse since his tenure as OC. though i do not buy the cant coach in I-A, and can coach in I-AA. maybe a change of scenry for ole' jeffy might be a good one. i honestly do not feel he is a good candidate.
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Post by FSUNOLE21 on Nov 28, 2005 10:24:48 GMT -5
What you guys are forgetting is, when our O-Line was healthy, FSU was scoring points like no other. Our offensive line has lost every starter but 1.
JB would not be a bad head coach. Remember, you'd be hiring him as HC, not as OC! There is a difference!
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Post by Evil Twin on Nov 28, 2005 10:30:12 GMT -5
Please, please, please take Jeff. Please!
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Post by bigsmooth on Nov 28, 2005 10:33:56 GMT -5
hmmm.....FSU's offensive struggles and play calling have been suspect since JB took over. true your o-line has struggled this year, but the overall FSU program has not been what it used to be and it has been clearly seen on the offensive side over the years. maybe JB is the scapegoat for papa bowden. i do realize that being a head coach is different than an OC. im still not convinced he is a good fit at LU.
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Post by HarrisburgFlame on Nov 28, 2005 10:59:33 GMT -5
If JB is struggling putting together an offense as O coordinator - how is he going to put together a program? I think the argument is more valid if you're arguing "he stinks as a head coach but might be a good coordinator - like Carl Torbush). I think JB would be a transparent hire for LU - everyone in the area and at the school would know JB is there because his last name is Bowden. Frankly, I can't see too many LU fans and students jumping with excitment if we hire this guy.
Injuries are part of it. I recognize there will be drop off when you're banged up but that's when coaches need to coach! Seriously, recognize and create favorable match ups, change the schemes a little. Earn that big money. FSU's offense at times this year hasn't been competitve and that to me is baffling when you look at the kids in that program on the offensive side of the ball.
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Post by FSUNOLE21 on Nov 28, 2005 12:22:48 GMT -5
I think it's wrong to say someone can't be a good head coach because they've not been a successful offensive coordinator. Skip Holtz was a TERRIBLE coordinator, got demoted by his old man, and now I see people on your board wishing he'd be the next coach at your school. He took ECU to 3 wins this season, which is triple what they had last year.
While I agree it's more likely someone is a better coordinator than head coach (see Wannstedt), I do not necessarily think Jeff would be a bad coach. I think, in fact, he'd do just fine.
As for injuries being part of it, I am NOT making excuses. I am just saying you cannot expect a team to perform as well with 4th stringers as they did with 1st stringers. We should still have won those games because we're FSU. I think our offensive decline does have a direct corrollation to the current OC, but I am just saying that I think he could be successful as a head coach.
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Post by HarrisburgFlame on Nov 28, 2005 12:31:17 GMT -5
I understand your points. I coached college football for 6 years on the D-III level. My experience has been there are many good coordinators and fewer good head coaches. I do agree that situations can make the coach so I am totally on boad with "someone can't be a good head coach because they've not been a successful coordinator". I never said you "can't" be a good head coach if you were a pitiful coordinator. I did say if you struggle to coordinate one phase of the program - if I had to make a bet - you're probably going to struggle when you try to oversee all phases of a program.
FYI - I don't want Skip Holtz either! As for the injuries I acknowledged that there would be some drop off - I didn't know FSU was down to 4th stringers on the OL. Good debate but I have to ask one question - You stated "I do not necessarily think Jeff would be a bad coach. I think, in fact, he'd do just fine." - I'm curious what you base this statement on. I am not overly familiar with Young Bowden so shed some light for us as to why we should be excited about this guy if we get him.
Thanks! Good debate.
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Post by bigsmooth on Nov 28, 2005 14:19:08 GMT -5
give skippy credit he finished 5-6 this year. pretty good with the lack of talent down in greenville. point taken though, he was rough down at USC, but really has the pirates going.
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Post by Sly Fox on Nov 28, 2005 15:47:44 GMT -5
Hburg - Folks at A&M would argue with your analogy of Torbush being a good coordinator. His defense is ranked last in I-A football right now.
I still find it amusing to see so many Noles selling Jeff like he's the second coming of Bear Bryant. Personally, I like him as a candidate despite his troubles at FSU. But that's just personal opinion. A certain son of a fanous coach (who never stood out as an assistant) has done a pretty fair job in Tuscaloosa despite some tough conditions.
Frankly, I think Skip has done a very credible job considering the mess he was left with at ECU. I cover to CUSA teams down here in Houston and the genral sentiment is that he has that program headed in the right direction.
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Post by HarrisburgFlame on Nov 28, 2005 15:52:30 GMT -5
Sly:
You are right on Torbush this year. But he did a great job at Carolina and most consider him to be a defenseive guru. Skip isn't leaving ECU for LU. ECU is a good job. Bill Lewis did well down there and so did Steve Logan. ECU is not the wasteland of college football.
that said I am shocked Skip is winning there. My brother is a USC grad so naturally my view on Skip and his abilities is going to be jaded.
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Post by Sly Fox on Nov 28, 2005 15:56:01 GMT -5
Nobody is talking about Skip leaving ECU for us. There was speculation this time last year that he was headed our way before ECU surprisingly offered him their job. While Greenville isn't a "wasteland", their talent level had slid the past couple of seasons. Even in CUSA they were losing standing (and that takes some doing).
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Post by HarrisburgFlame on Nov 28, 2005 16:02:35 GMT -5
Easy there big guy! Seriously, I thought I saw mentioned by one of our Nole friends where we were talking about Skip again. I haven't been around for a few days and thought that rumor may have flaired again. I'm sorry.
My point about ECU being a wasteland is just your point. ECU had put together a good program under Lewis and then Logan. Not sure why they stopped getting a bunch of good players - but they were competitve for about a 12 year run - from 1990 to around 2002.
Love C-USA and the MAC though. Nothing better than all of these weekday games for a junkie like me.
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Post by bigsmooth on Nov 28, 2005 16:40:10 GMT -5
ECU fans are a bitter bunch. they feel as they are the red-headed stepchild of north carolina. they also feel like they should be in the ACC or big east. i think terry holland will eventually do something to get them in the big east, but that is down the road. their football program went down hill b/c logan started losing after going to bowls for many years, he lost a bit of control with the program, and a new president was hired and i feel he executed the move to get him out. he left john thompson very little to work with and thompson made it worse. he had zero I-A experience and started losing recruiting battles in eastern NC to state and carolina, which in the past ECU dominated. skippy has them in the right direction. ECU is a really passionate group, as eastern north carolina really follows the pirates more than the "big 4". Logan is hilarious on local sports radio here. he comes on weekly on a drive time show and tells it like it is. he is coaching in the world league now. he is a great offensive mind
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Post by Another Guest on Nov 28, 2005 18:39:20 GMT -5
He's an great offensive mind coaching in the World League. LET'S SIGN HIM UP!!!
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