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Post by Sly Fox on Apr 28, 2005 21:33:14 GMT -5
The NCAA once again performed its annual sidestep from relaity by ignoring its IA national championship mess. But they did make several moves that could have some impact on the Flames. sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2049401In addition to adding a 12th game to the football season, they will now allow IA schools to use a IAA victory each year for bowl eligibility. But mor eimportantly, they slightly relaxed the IA attendance standards. You now only have to average 15k+ at least once every other year. That's certainly more realistic for a 'tweener program like ours should we begin to look at possibly stepping up again in the future. |
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Post by Sly Fox on Apr 29, 2005 8:13:49 GMT -5
Actually, the I-A board members unanimously voted to not extend the I-AA season to 12 games ... just the I-A season is extended. Since we have the playoff system, that makes sense.
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Post by flamesfan710 on Jun 14, 2005 14:49:00 GMT -5
They need a playoff system. I mean look at how much of a sham the BCS is being made out to be, not to mention ESPN disassociating itself from the Coaches poll.
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Post by Sly Fox on Jun 14, 2005 15:16:47 GMT -5
On a relate dnote, the BCS sent out a news release today stating they would be contracting with Harris to come up with a new BCS Poll in light of the AP pulling out and ESPN relinquishing its ties to the coaches poll. No one wants to be associated with the BCS with a 10-foot pole. Perhaps we are inching closer toward what everyone who loves the game really wants.
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Post by aLUmnus on Jun 14, 2005 15:30:42 GMT -5
I love the game and want to go back to the bowl system. But I think i'm in a big minority on that.
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Post by flamesfan710 on Jun 14, 2005 15:51:56 GMT -5
you are definitely in the minority aLUmnus.
I was thinking about this last week and thought of a 16 team playoff involving the 11 conference champions and 5 "at large" teams:
Virginia Tech: ACC
Pittsburgh: Big East
Michigan: Big Ten
Oklahoma: Big 12
Louisville: Conference USA
Utah: Mountain West
Boise State: WAC
Toledo: Mid-American
Auburn: SEC
North Texas: Sun Belt
USC: Pac-10
Seed according to conference record, overall record, strength of schedule, strength of opponent's schedule, record against top 25 teams (which would also be used to determine the 5 at large), and a little used (in college football anyway) number called RPI. This would hopefully prevent one conference from getting all 5 at large bids. Then higher seeds host each game with a neutral site to host the championships game.
Now this isnt a perfect system, but at least its something.
My $.02
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Post by Sly Fox on Jun 14, 2005 15:58:40 GMT -5
Its not hard to come up with systems for a new playoff system. Just look at what we have in I-AA. Its just hard for college presidents to take a gamble on giving up their bowl gravy train in order to serve the better good.
Why is it that I-AA as well as Divisions 2 & 3 can run successful playoff systems and I-As can't? Its preposterous. It all goes back to greed. And the sad thing is that they would all probably get richer under a new system.
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Post by flamesfan710 on Jun 14, 2005 16:09:18 GMT -5
Its not hard to come up with systems for a new playoff system. Just look at what we have in I-AA. Its just hard for college presidents to take a gamble on giving up their bowl gravy train in order to serve the better good. Why is it that I-AA as well as Divisions 2 & 3 can run successful playoff systems and I-As can't? Its preposterous. It all goes back to greed. And the sad thing is that they would all probably get richer under a new system. When I was thinking about a new system over christmas break, I actually thought up a payout system. I'll have to retool it for 16 teams though |
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Post by flamesfan710 on Jun 17, 2005 13:59:10 GMT -5
Colin Cowherd made a point that eliminating the bowl system entirely in favor of a playoff would hurt a lot of the smaller schools in 1A. In his words "the rich get richer" He suggested that if we do go to a playoff, reduce the number of bowls by like half. I think that if they did do that, those who like the bowl system still make money, and those who want a playoff still get money too because the money from those 14 removed bowls could be combined into a giant payout fund with the amount getting gradually higher the further a team advances.
Any thoughts?
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Post by PAmedic on Jun 20, 2005 5:56:52 GMT -5
yeah I don't see how a playoff system would hurt anyone, esp the little guys. The bowl committees are exclusionary to begin with- Notre Dame gets bids even while stinkin it up big time. (Don't ask me to back that one up, memory may be failing- I just hate ND)
The thing is the playoff system generates huge $ itself- look at March madness. It may take a few years to get there but it would happen. Everbody wins. JMnot-soHO
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Post by LUconn on Jun 20, 2005 8:50:43 GMT -5
People like the bowls though. And companies pay big money to sponser them. But i've read that a playoff couldn't last more than 4 weeks and be seriously considered. I think it effects the regular season. So 8 teams would be the way to go. It makes it much tougher.
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Post by flamesfan710 on Jun 20, 2005 12:07:53 GMT -5
People like the bowls though. And companies pay big money to sponser them. But i've read that a playoff couldn't last more than 4 weeks and be seriously considered. I think it effects the regular season. So 8 teams would be the way to go. It makes it much tougher. a 16-8-4-2 format would last exactly 4 weeks so that could be considered as well |
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Post by flamesfan710 on Jun 27, 2005 10:37:28 GMT -5
Here is my intended payout structure:
First round: $1.5M
Quarterfinals: $5M
Semifinals: $10M
National Championship: $15M
How's THAT for money?
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Post by PAmedic on Jun 27, 2005 21:54:37 GMT -5
are you projecting that as a total amount per round, split among all the contenders, or winner take all EACH round?
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Post by flamesfan710 on Jun 28, 2005 10:51:45 GMT -5
Actually for the first three rounds it goes to the LOSER!. The winner marches on for a chance at the even bigger payouts. Both teams in the national championship get the $15M, although I may kick in like a half mil for the winner
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Post by HarrisburgFlame on Jun 28, 2005 11:01:13 GMT -5
I like a playoff system using the bowl format. I think there are way too many bowls now as is. How about the top 8 teams in the US qualify for the playoffs and the next 24 teams pair off in 12 bowls. It's out of the box but I think there will have to be a comprimise concerning the bowls set up to even begin moving forward with a playoff system.
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Post by flamesfan710 on Jun 28, 2005 11:47:50 GMT -5
how would you structure the payout system (for all those money grubbing college presidents out there)
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Post by flamesfan710 on Jul 2, 2005 12:20:26 GMT -5
Hello?
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Post by flamesfan710 on Jul 17, 2005 16:23:48 GMT -5
ttt
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Post by BJ on Sept 2, 2005 19:07:46 GMT -5
you are definitely in the minority aLUmnus. I was thinking about this last week and thought of a 16 team playoff involving the 11 conference champions and 5 "at large" teams: Virginia Tech: ACC Pittsburgh: Big East Michigan: Big Ten Oklahoma: Big 12 Louisville: Conference USA Utah: Mountain West Boise State: WAC Toledo: Mid-American Auburn: SEC North Texas: Sun Belt USC: Pac-10 Seed according to conference record, overall record, strength of schedule, strength of opponent's schedule, record against top 25 teams (which would also be used to determine the 5 at large), and a little used (in college football anyway) number called RPI. This would hopefully prevent one conference from getting all 5 at large bids. Then higher seeds host each game with a neutral site to host the championships game. Now this isnt a perfect system, but at least its something. My $.02 Here are the 16 teams I would include in my playoff Virginia Tech: ACC Ch #4 Pittsburgh: Big East Ch #12 Michigan: Big Ten Ch #6 Oklahoma: Big 12 Ch #3 Louisville: Conference USA Ch #13 Utah: Mountain West Ch #7 Boise State: WAC Ch #14 Toledo: Mid-American Ch #15 Auburn: SEC Ch #2 North Texas: Sun Belt *Ch* #16 USC: Pac-10 Ch #1 Cal: Pac 10#2 #9 Miami (FL): ACC#2 #8 Ohio State: Big Ten#2 #10 LSU: SEC#3 #11 Texas: Big 12#3 #5 Here is the bracket: 01 vs 16: USC Trojans (Pac-10) vs North Texas Eagles (Sun Belt) 02 vs 15: Auburn Tigers (SEC) vs. Toledo Rockets (MAC) 03 vs 14: Oklahoma Sooners (Big 12) vs Boise State Broncos (WAC) 04 vs 13: Virginia Tech Hokies (ACC) vs Louisville Cardinals (Conference USA) 05 vs 12: Texas Longhorns (Big 12) vs Pittsburgh Panthers (Big East) 06 vs 11: Michigan Wolverines (Big Ten) vs LSU Tigers (SEC) 07 vs 10: Utah Utes (MWC) vs. Ohio State Buckeyes (Big 10) 08 vs 09: Miami-FL Hurricanes (ACC) vs. Cal Golden Bears (Pac 10) (High Seed hosts first round, bowl games for quarter and semifinals, neutral site for national championship) |
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Post by flamesfan710 on Sept 2, 2005 19:11:05 GMT -5
Here are the 16 teams I would include in my playoff
Virginia Tech: ACC Ch #4
Pittsburgh: Big East Ch #12
Michigan: Big Ten Ch #6
Oklahoma: Big 12 Ch #3
Louisville: Conference USA Ch #13
Utah: Mountain West Ch #7
Boise State: WAC Ch #14
Toledo: Mid-American Ch #15
Auburn: SEC Ch #2
North Texas: Sun Belt *Ch* #16
USC: Pac-10 Ch #1
Cal: Pac 10#2 #9
Miami (FL): ACC#2 #8
Ohio State: Big Ten#2 #10
LSU: SEC#3 #11
Texas: Big 12#3 #5
Here is the bracket:
01 vs 16: USC Trojans (Pac-10) vs North Texas Eagles (Sun Belt)
02 vs 15: Auburn Tigers (SEC) vs. Toledo Rockets (MAC)
03 vs 14: Oklahoma Sooners (Big 12) vs Boise State Broncos (WAC)
04 vs 13: Virginia Tech Hokies (ACC) vs Louisville Cardinals (Conference USA)
05 vs 12: Texas Longhorns (Big 12) vs Pittsburgh Panthers (Big East)
06 vs 11: Michigan Wolverines (Big Ten) vs LSU Tigers (SEC)
07 vs 10: Utah Utes (MWC) vs. Ohio State Buckeyes (Big 10)
08 vs 09: Miami-FL Hurricanes (ACC) vs. Cal Golden Bears (Pac 10)
(High Seed hosts first round, bowl games for quarter and semifinals, neutral site for national championship which would be chosen in a lottery at random by the playoff committee from the 32 NFL team stadiums and the following list of college stadiums):
Aloha Stadium, Honolulu HI
Rose Bowl, Pasadena CA
Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum, Los Angeles CA
Reliant Astrodome, Houston TX
Cotton Bowl, Dallas TX
Husky Stadium, Seattle WA
Robert F. Kennedy Memorial Stadium, Washington DC
Orange Bowl, Coral Gables FL
Ohio Stadium, Columbus OH
Darrell K. Royal-Texas Memorial Stadium, Austin TX
Memorial Stadium-Tom Osborne Field, Lincoln NE
Notre Dame Stadium, South Bend IN
Michigan Stadium, Ann Arbor MI
Bryant-Denny Stadium, Tuscaloosa AL
Owen Field, Norman OK
Neyland Stadium, Knoxville TN
Beaver Stadium, University Park PA
Doak Campbell Stadium, Tallahassee FL
Ben Hill Griffin Stadium, Gainesville FL
Florida Citrus Bowl, Orlando FL
Jordan-Hare Stadium, Auburn AL
Tiger Stadium, Baton Rouge LA
Liberty Bowl, Memphis TN
Sam Boyd Stadium, Las Vegas NV
Rice Eccles Stadium, Salt Lake City UT
Stanford Stadium, Palo Alto CA
Memorial Stadium, Berkeley CA
Sun Bowl, El Paso TX
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Post by Too much time on your hands on Sept 2, 2005 22:44:33 GMT -5
Dude... study or something.
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Post by flamesfan710 on Sept 2, 2005 23:43:41 GMT -5
Dude... study or something. I do study...during the day. Besides, I had a friend help me get all those stadiums. Oh and feel free to let me know who you are so I can talk to you |
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Post by flamesfan710 on Sept 4, 2005 15:32:18 GMT -5
Slight change in plan: Include the loser of the ACC, SEC, and Big XII Championship games as auto-bids and add the "Mean Green Rule:" If a automatic qualifier finishes below .500 OR finishes outside the top 50 list in any of the rankings used for seeding, the Playoff Selection Committee may, at their discretion, replace that team (or teams) with another at-large selection.
Factor in our (my anonymous friend and my) 2K5 predictions/guesstimates, and the system would function as such:
#1: Pac-10 Champion USC Trojans
#2: Big XII Champion Texas Longhorns
#3: SEC Champion Tennessee Volunteers
#4: Big Ten Champion Michigan Wolverines
#5: ACC Champion Virginia Tech Hokies
#6: SEC Runner-Up LSU Tigers
#7: ACC Runner-Up Florida State Seminoles
#8: Big East Champion Louisville Cardinals
#9: Big XII Runner-Up Colorado Buffaloes
#10: ACC Coastal Runner-Up Miami-Fl. Hurricanes
#11: Big Ten Runner-Up Iowa Hawkeyes
#12: SEC East Runner-Up Georgia Bulldogs
#13: Mountain West Champion Texas Christian Horned Frogs
#14: WAC Champion Boise State Broncos
#15: Mid-American Champion Bowling Green Falcons
#16: Conference-USA Champion UAB Blazers
1 vs 16: USC vs UAB @ LA Coliseum
2 vs 15: Tex vs BGSU @ DKR-Texas
3 vs 14: UT vs BSt. @ Rocky Top
4 vs 13: Mich vs TCU @ The Big House
5 vs 12: VT vs UGA @ Lane Stadium
6 vs 11: LSU vs Iowa @ Death Valley
7 vs 10: FSU vs Miami @ DOAK
8 vs 9: LOU vs CU @ Papa John's Cardinal Stadium
Heisman Bowl (tentative name for nat. champ. game)
4 Feb. 06 Ford Field, Detroit MI
USC over Michigan
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Post by Too much time on your hands on Sept 4, 2005 22:36:03 GMT -5
Aren't you late for a mensa meeting? I'm just giving you a hard time but you sound like you are probably a 170 IQ and could take a super computer apart. However... maybe not quite on the right page with this complex and detail heavy formula that carries the season into February. Not the kind of thing that would fly in the NCAA. If anything.... 8 teams, selection com., bowl sites, over by mid-Jan... simple, practical but still doubtful given the president's opinions.
Now get back to your homework... and make sure your anonymous friend is studying too.
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Post by flamesfan710 on Sept 5, 2005 22:13:27 GMT -5
hey, I figure, 10 game season which would allow for this to be over by January (11 is conceivable too since this would only take about a month to pull off)
And by the way, how about you quit hiding behind your keyboard, grow some cajones and get an account
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Post by Too much time on your hands on Sept 6, 2005 0:06:30 GMT -5
"And by the way, how about you quit hiding behind your keyboard, grow some cajones and get an account"
cajones... what class are you studying for? French? Such language!
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Post by El Scorcho on Sept 6, 2005 2:13:04 GMT -5
...and could take a super computer apart. It's actually not that hard.  |
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Post by flamesfan710 on Sept 6, 2005 6:28:08 GMT -5
"And by the way, how about you quit hiding behind your keyboard, grow some cajones and get an account" cajones... what class are you studying for? French? Such language! Language? Well Im not the one who hides behind a guest name and cracks on somebody takin a proactive approach and coming up with a feasibly workable system. If anybody here disagrees with me, or wants to challenge any of the logic in this system, then can call me on it outside the confines of this board. You come across as one of those fly by night posters that jumps all over something someone says, and the second somebody calls you out, you shy away and are never heard from again. How about you man up and get an account so we can have a constructive dialogue about this outside the board. We cool? |
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Post by Too much time on your hands on Sept 6, 2005 14:43:05 GMT -5
"And by the way, how about you quit hiding behind your keyboard, grow some cajones and get an account" cajones... what class are you studying for? French? Such language! Language? Well Im not the one who hides behind a guest name and cracks on somebody takin a proactive approach and coming up with a feasibly workable system. If anybody here disagrees with me, or wants to challenge any of the logic in this system, then can call me on it outside the confines of this board. You come across as one of those fly by night posters that jumps all over something someone says, and the second somebody calls you out, you shy away and are never heard from again. How about you man up and get an account so we can have a constructive dialogue about this outside the board. We cool? Whoa Whoa Whoa... someone needs to go to "Sense of Humor" class... I was just teasing with you. I really don't care to have an off-board discussion about the playoff system... I was just giving you a hard time because it looked like you spent an entire weekend in the basement of the science building coming up with a 500 word formula. Just trying to be funny. No hard feelings. No need to get your anonymous friends and a posse together to hunt me down. Although I get the feeling you could probably hack into my bank account using my social security number, a floppy disk and a roll of duct tape. So I better be nice... and it is for this very reason that I (just like your friend) wish to remain anonymous. Yes, we cool. |
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